Plus Minus - Succeeds again

[ChumpDumper]

You're twisting in the wind...

I will ask you directly -- So even if Jimmer makes the Knicks NBA franchise, it won't mean he can actually play in the "real" NBA?

Yes or no.

Or will you twist in the wind?

[Hoops Czar]

Green is getting the minutes his tenure warrants for once, Kawhi is getting star minutes, and Ginobili looks as good as he has in years. There really isn't much reason to add another wing to the rotation. Anderson hasn't been perfect, but I definitely think he's been as good as Pop expected. He'll play more soon, but the bigger priority is getting the playoff rotation to figure out their offensive struggles. Once they're in sync, Pop can start figuring out how to plug the other guys in.

When was the last time Pop gave a about the playoff rotation 5 games into the season? The Spurs are notorious for getting off to slow starts and this year is no exception. They'll get it together eventually and I don't think Pop or the coaching staff are fretting it one bit. There's is very little wiggle room with the starting five anyways. When familiarity with one another takes affect and Green can knock down shots, the offense will get back on track.

West's playing time has been limited because he's playing like ass not because the offensive woes of the playoff rotation which was suppose to include him. Upside not withstanding, KA has been very underwhelming in his limited court time while Butler has been slightly better.

[Spurtacular]

I will ask you directly -- So even if Jimmer makes the Knicks NBA franchise, it won't mean he can actually play in the "real" NBA?

Yes or no.

Or will you twist in the wind?

I don't answer lame off-topic questions posed by a troll.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't answer lame off-topic questions posed by a troll.

You're twisting in the wind.

[Spurtacular]

You're twisting in the wind.

You kept quoting "real" when that's not what I even said, dink; that in addition to your trying to coerce an issue that wasn't even an issue til you stuck in your fat head.

[Chinook]

Spurs aren't playing less guys cos Pop is getting guys in sync. He has only eight guys that he can clearly depend upon. I think seeing Rasual Butler of all people so drasically pushed forward on the bench rotation speaks to that reality.

The regular season is about developing guys so you can "depend" on them when the playoffs come. If Pop didn't think he could use those guys in regular-season games, you'd see more movement from the FO. Butler is a good player -- hence why he easily beat Jimmer out for the 15th spot despite Fredette's guarantee. That a guy who's been a rotation player for years is getting a look over a second-year player is hardly a slight. And Butler has played really well in his limited minutes. If Pop were interested in playing more guys, Butler would get more minutes.

When was the last time Pop gave a about the playoff rotation 5 games into the season? The Spurs are notorious for getting off to slow starts and this year is no exception. They'll get it together eventually and Ibut there is very little wiggle room with the starting five.

I think this is the most important regular season the team has had in a long time, maybe ever. Pop needs his top eight to be ironclad. He's essentially installing a new offensive philosophy, and everyone except Duncan and Mills is having some issues adjusting. They need to figure that out above everything.

[ChumpDumper]

You kept quoting "real" when that's not what I even said, dink.

The quotes are mine. Would you prefer I use your terminology? -- the end result isn't really different at all.

So even if Jimmer makes the Knicks NBA franchise, it won't mean he can actually play on an actual Western Conference contender?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

The regular season is about developing guys so you can "depend" on them when the playoffs come. If Pop didn't think he could use those guys in regular-season games, you'd see more movement from the FO. Butler is a good player -- hence why he easily beat Jimmer out for the 15th spot despite Fredette's guarantee. That a guy who's been a rotation player for years is getting a look over a second-year player is hardly a slight. And Butler has played really well in his limited minutes. If Pop were interested in playing more guys, Butler would get more minutes.


I think this is the most important regular season the team has had in a long time, maybe ever. Pop needs his top eight to be ironclad. He's essentially installing a new offensive philosophy, and everyone except Duncan and Mills is having some issues adjusting. They need to figure that out above everything.

Go ahead and take your lame shots. If Rasual Butler is a guy getting any serious burn in the playoffs, that's not good for the Spurs.

Pop has never been about getting his rotation "ironclad" in November. Maybe, its a bit more focused because of the advancement of WC teams; but I'm quite sure Pop would like to lessen the load on his core players. This goes against this traditionally deep benched team's standards of implementation.

[ChumpDumper]

Go ahead and take your lame shots. If Rasual Butler is a guy getting any serious burn in the playoffs, that's not good for the Spurs.

Pop has never been about getting his rotation "ironclad" in November. Maybe, its a bit more focused because of the advancement of WC teams; but I'm quite sure Pop would like to lessen the load on his core players. This goes against this traditionally deep benched team's standards of implementation.

The rotation players have to learn how to play together before they can take time off. Jumping to any conclusions at this point is silly.

[Spurtacular]

The quotes are mine. Would you prefer I use your terminology? -- the end result isn't really different at all.

What kind of idiot makes up quotes from himself?

IDIOT.

[ChumpDumper]

What kind of idiot makes up quotes from himself?

IDIOT.

Do you not understand the usage of quotation marks?

Is English not your first language?

Your stalling just means you're twisting in the wind about Jimmer.

[Spurtacular]

The rotation players have to learn how to play together before they can take time off. Jumping to any conclusions at this point is silly.

They have to play heavy minutes in games 1-5 to learn to play with each other? That's spurious at best. Pop didn't abandon his deep benched philosophies because he's that worried about the starters gelling. You really think Pop wants to be putting these kinds of minutes on Duncan and Ginobili?

[ChumpDumper]

They have to play heavy minutes in games 1-5 to learn to play with each other?

Yes.

It's pretty simple.

[Spurtacular]

Do you not understand the usage of quotation marks?

Is English not your first language?

I do understand them unlike you.

Rule 1: You don't quote something that was never said.

Unwritten rule: There's no need to quote yourself.

[Spurtacular]

Yes.

It's pretty simple.

Then, you don't understand coaching to mitigate the NBA grind.

[ChumpDumper]

I do understand them unlike you.

Rule 1: You don't quote something that was never quoted.

Unwritten rule: There's no need to quote yourself.

I wasn't quoting myself, genius.

Read and let me know if there is something you don't understand about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

I'm here to educate you.

But keep stalling about det Jimmer question. I know you're terrified to answer it.

[ChumpDumper]

Then, you don't understand coaching to mitigate the NBA grind.

That comes after they learn how to play together.

Jimmer wouldn't help in any case.

[Spurtacular]

I wasn't quoting myself, genius.

Uh huh.

The quotes are mine.

[ChumpDumper]

Uh huh.

"Quotes" being short for quotation marks, genius. Or scare quotes as described above.

Anything else you need help with, buttercup? Can you answer the Jimmer question now?

[Hoops Czar]

I think this is the most important regular season the team has had in a long time, maybe ever. Pop needs his top eight to be ironclad. He's essentially installing a new offensive philosophy, and everyone except Duncan and Mills is having some issues adjusting. They need to figure that out above everything.

The Spurs are notorious for getting off to slow starts and this year is no exception. They'll get it together eventually and I don't think Pop or the coaching staff are fretting it one bit. When familiarity with one another takes affect and Green can knock down shots, the offense won't look so bad, tbh.

West's playing time has been limited because he's playing like ass not because the offensive woes of the playoff rotation which was suppose to include him. He literally killed any thought of a Diaw/West back up combo 5 minutes into the first game of the season. Upside not withstanding, KA has been very underwhelming in his limited court time while Butler has been slightly better. These are the players that worry me the most because they're suppose to be a part of the playoff rotation and they look like anything but.

[ChumpDumper]

They have to play heavy minutes in games 1-5 to learn to play with each other? That's spurious at best. Pop didn't abandon his deep benched philosophies because he's that worried about the starters gelling. You really think Pop wants to be putting these kinds of minutes on Duncan and Ginobili?

You need to define "heavy" for each player.

Manu is averaging fewer minutes than last year.

Duncan is averaging about 20 seconds more than last season.

Do you think they are going to break down at this rate?

[Spurtacular]

You need to define "heavy" for each player.

Manu is averaging fewer minutes than last year.

Duncan is averaging about 20 seconds more than last season.

Do you think they are going to break down at this rate?

No DNPs in that mix yet. Spurs won't continue at this rate and be rested for the playoffs. Still plenty of time to see how it plays out; but I'm not arguing whether or not the Spurs can sustain this in five games; rather, I'm saying that this could not have been the plan, and the bench's struggles are evident.

[ChumpDumper]

No DNPs in that mix yet. Spurs won't continue at this rate and be rested for the playoffs. Still plenty of time to see how it plays out; but I'm not arguing whether or not the Spurs can sustain this in five games; rather, I'm saying that this could not have been the plan, and the bench's struggles are evident.

Why could it have not been the plan?

Starters and Manu are playing fewer minutes, Kawhi and Duncan's 20 seconds excluded.


Did you think the team play would be so fully developed that starters would be taking one game off by now?

Two?

Tell us what the Spurs planned.

[Spurtacular]

Why could it have not been the plan?

Starters and Manu are playing fewer minutes, Kawhi and Duncan's 20 seconds excluded.


Did you think the team play would be so fully developed that starters would be taking one game off by now?

Two?

Tell us what the Spurs planned.

Assuming Duncan and Ginobili play tonight; that'll be six straight games that they each played. How many times did that happen last season? For that matter, how many times last season did the Spurs use an eight man rotation in regular season games for five straight games? I've been watching the Spurs for long enough to know that these are unplanned/unwanted anomalies.

[ChumpDumper]

Assuming Duncan and Ginobili play tonight; that'll be six straight games that they each played. How many times did that happen last season? For that matter, how many times last season did the Spurs use an eight man rotation in regular season games for five straight games? I've been watching the Spurs for long enough to know that these are unplanned/unwanted anomalies.

How many times last season did they integrate an All-Star starter into their offense?

If the price for that is play Manu and Duncan 6 out of 6 games to start the season instead of 5 out of 5, that seems to be a reasonable plan.

Does that seem reasonable to you?

Yes or no.

That was a direct question to you, so actually answer it this time.