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    Kind of surprise Bird and Oscar aren't on this list.

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    Kind of surprise Bird and Oscar aren't on this list.
    Well, that guy is a troll and always has some axe to grind. Basketball reference doesn't track individual game assist and rebound totals before 1985. Even so, Bird had 76 such games and Magic had 35 in the second halves of their careers. Oscar, Kareem, and Wilt all had multiple seasons where they averaged those numbers.

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    But seeing a game the other day when Kobe was playing - man, it was painful to watch. Say hat you want about him, but e gave this game everything he had. Now, it looks like the New Jersey Generals whenever the Lakers play. Dude is iconic for NBA basketball, and right now looks like Muhammad Ali in the early stages of Parkinson's Disease boxing Larry Holmes. Yeah, THAT bad.

    I usually don't watch any non-Spurs NBA games, but I watched part of the GS/Lakers game maybe a week or so ago, mostly because I wanted to see how the Warriors play. Kobe was unbelievably bad, I could not believe it.

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    Well, that guy is a troll and always has some axe to grind. Basketball reference doesn't track individual game assist and rebound totals before 1985. Even so, Bird had 76 such games and Magic had 35 in the second halves of their careers. Oscar, Kareem, and Wilt all had multiple seasons where they averaged those numbers.
    Cheers! Thanks for alerting me to the errors and troll-isms. I try not to follow the later, so never know who is on the up-and-up.

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    Second-best second banana of all time? Greatest volume chucker of all time? Longest-tenured team cancer of all time? What Allen Iverson would have been if he were six inches taller and didn't make his teammates better? Lucky to have played in a town where style beats substance?

    Seriously, there will never be another player like Kobe, mainly because he's the only person who ever practiced fallaway 28-foot shots with a defender in his face.

    I'll miss Kobe going 5-18 for a game and Sportcenter showing all five makes in the highlights.

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    Kobe going 5-18 for a game and Sportcenter showing all five makes in the highlights.
    This is the essence of the Kobe myth.

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    Kobe is in many ways the stereotypical representation of what a lot of people think American athletics has become (fairly or not).

    Supremely talented and athletic. Arrogant and self-promoting (remember his rap album??). Consumed by materialism and making money. A winner. A bad teammate. Scandal-ridden (particularly when the scandal involves sexual violence). Big city, bright lights, takes a helicopter to work. Traditional "alpha compe or."


    It's one of the reasons I love Tim Duncan and other members of the Spurs, past and present. They are so much of what athletics could be, and for me, should be.
    In the first finals match up with Miami, someone asked D Wade after a game if Kawhi ever talked trash on the court. Wade answered, "Talk trash? No, he doesn't talk at all. I don't even know what his voice sounds like."
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    The Nets, Knicks, Heat, Magic, and Mavs are the lucky winners here. Kobe has already played his last game in their arenas. The other 24 teams have to participate in the Kobe Farewell Tour and endure the horde of Kobestans in their buildings.

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    I just heard parts of Kobe's post game press conference. "I'm at peace with my decision. I just don't want to do this anymore." Don't want to do what? Embarrass yourself? Go through the week listening to people tell you to give it up? When you play like and can't help yourself from being a total dog on the court, it's time to hang it up.

    He couldn't bring himself to just say "I CAN'T do this anymore". It didn't take meditation or soul searching, it took about 5 games to realize he wasn't worthy of playing in the D-League. Man up, admit the years of wear and tear have taken their toll and step aside. The rings and stats will speak for themselves. Having to listen to that drivel and the nonsense that is to come on ESPN is tiresome.

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    GOAT

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    I've got nothing against the guy, he was fun to watch and was one of the greats. He also ruined the Lakers with his prima donna at ude (and that's a good thing since I'm a Spurs fan.)

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    I've got nothing against the guy, he was fun to watch and was one of the greats. He also ruined the Lakers with his prima donna at ude (and that's a good thing since I'm a Spurs fan.)
    I guess from the standpoint of hating a rival, he was a good foil. Those Laker/Spurs matchups were so good.

    Amazing though how my friends that are Laker fans once were so high on Kobe. And now almost all of them can't stand the guy.

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    I love how Nashty the Lakers have been

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    I would have loved for him to drag the Lakers franchise down a few more years. Hope he puts a few good games together at the end of the season and decides to cash in the 24M next year.
    I think he realized the fans might turn on him.

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    I think it's fair that he gets some farewell. He's an all time player, talent and success wise.

    With that said, always disliked the guy, as most people here.

    If he and the team really wanted to keep winning, they should have managed that salary better.
    He should've been a better teammate, specially when his s om stopped being enough to go and play with him.
    He also should've taken better care of his body. Playing with an injured ankle until unable to walk at ~34 years old is not a good idea.

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    A great player in his prime. All timer. A little sad to see the villain go away. ...a world without the joker, captain hook.
    I agree.

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    Kobe's narcissistic quest to be the man was one of the greatest things to happen to the Spurs. He drove Shaq out, then we won les. They may have won six in a row if they had stuck together. Similar to Jordan leaving to play baseball...For this alone we should applaud Kobe.

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    "I'm at peace with my decision. I just don't want to do this anymore." Don't want to do what?
    Not be the center of attention.

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    This.

    Who is the villain of the NBA now? Lebron? Hating on him has gotten stale,plus he's a really great teammate.

    Howard? Meh.

    Harden. .not really enticing.

    Everyone loves the Warriors so you can't paint them in a negative light.

    It may be awhile before the league finds another player as polarizing as Kobe.

    He can enjoy his farewell tour. All controversy aside,I fully expect him to get deserving ovations in every city he plays in for the final time.

    Even here.

    For me Lebron has been the villain over Kobe for a while.
    Absolutely loved the Magic in '09, Mavs in '11, and Spurs in '14.
    Hated '12, but mostly '13.

    It might be getting old, like in any case.. maybe more because he has lost 2 consecutive Finals.. but he's still up there.

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    Kobe is a legend

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    Like Paul Bunyan.

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    fat losers crawling into this sub kissing his ass now....you were probably the stumpy s wearing his jersey in the SBC Center during the Shaq/Pau coattailing days.

    Hopefully you guys can attend his last games in SA when Kawhi makes this retire 2 months early tbh.

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    that's because he wasn't real

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    There will be a dark cloud over the city of San Antonio for a long time, the likes of which hasn't been seen.
    Nah. Tim/Tony/Manu (yes, even Tony) are unselfish enough to pass the torch along and take a secondary role while the team keeps kicking ass.

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