2-14 from 3. Need to fix that

[ElNono]

Anyone know what the 3 point percentage has been in each of our losses? Is this some sort of trend that when we are not hitting from deep, we lose the game? But then again, hasn't that always been the case with the Spurs the last few seasons?

We shot 52% from 3 against the Pelicans and lost anyways...

[will_spurs]

Anyone know what the 3 point percentage has been in each of our losses? Is this some sort of trend that when we are not hitting from deep, we lose the game? But then again, hasn't that always been the case with the Spurs the last few seasons?

The losses are all over the place in terms of 3PA and 3P%. But on average (given the small samples) the Spurs are taking 3 fewer 3P and shooting a bit worse in losses.

[TD 21]

So what was it that I was wrong about? crofl

Nothing says "original thought" like calling other posters "cliche and vanilla"... never been done here...

Same with panicking in November... what an original take... not cliche and vanilla at all...

Your opinions are no better or worse than anybody elses. Hows that for understanding the "concept of message board"?

And stop deflecting to me, tell me why this end of the bench wing is going to be the difference maker.

Fourth wing. It's not an "end of the bench wing" and because of the lack of durability of the third wing and Diaw being utilized less as a small ball PF, the need is exacerbated.

Always concerned with covering your bases and playing holier than thou.

Still can't tell the difference between critiquing and panicking.

I've contributed more in this thread than you have in your million posts.

[ElNono]

Fourth wing. It's not an "end of the bench wing" and because of the lack of durability of the third wing and Diaw being utilized less as a small ball PF, the need is exacerbated.

This makes no sense. Butler and KA already have a hard time getting much playing time at all. What makes you think Pop is going to give those minutes, or any other minutes to somebody new?

Kawhi plays 35 mpg not because Pop is forced to play him that much, but because he wants to. Just like he played young Tony and Tim 36 mpg all the time.

Heck, some people here will tell you Danny Green doesn't play enough minutes.

Always concerned with covering your bases and playing holier than thou.

Still can't tell the difference between critiquing and panicking.

I've contributed more in this thread than you have in your million posts.

blowing your own horn... never seen that one before

Don't forget to about posters toeing the company line in your next reply... another original crofl

[TD 21]

This makes no sense. Butler and KA already have a hard time getting much playing time at all. What makes you think Pop is going to give those minutes, or any other minutes to somebody new?

Kawhi plays 35 mpg not because Pop is forced to play him that much, but because he wants to. Just like he played young Tony and Tim 36 mpg all the time.

Heck, some people here will tell you Danny Green doesn't play enough minutes.



blowing your own horn... never seen that one before

Don't forget to about posters toeing the company line in your next reply... another original crofl

Always missing the point, no matter how basic of one it is. Anderson and Butler are barely playing because they're not good enough. If they had the type of fourth wing they desperately need and hopefully will end up acquiring, they'd get consistent minutes.

Leonard's minutes were always going to be upped, but it's only to this extent because of the lack of a quality fourth wing.

Young Duncan consistently playing around 40 mpg was a sign of the times. Those days are over and the guy who was a pioneer of that just so happens to coach this team.

[ElNono]

Always missing the point, no matter how basic of one it is. Anderson and Butler are barely playing because they're not good enough. If they had the type of fourth wing they desperately need and hopefully will end up acquiring, they'd get consistent minutes.

Leonard's minutes were always going to be upped, but it's only to this extent because of the lack of a quality fourth wing.

Young Duncan consistently playing around 40 mpg was a sign of the times. Those days are over and the guy who was a pioneer of that just so happens to coach this team.

Except they both play more when minutes are available to them (ie: resting Manu last night), which really goes to show the minute allocation is what it is because Pop chooses it to be that way, not because there's some alleged lack of talent. That much we can ascertain.

Then again, it's your opinion and I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, because it's not provable. Only Pop knows the answer to your theory and as far as we know so far, he is simply working with what he has (like he does every season).

[TD 21]

Except they both play more when minutes are available to them (ie: resting Manu last night), which really goes to show the minute allocation is what it is because Pop chooses it to be that way, not because there's some alleged lack of talent. That much we can ascertain.

Then again, it's your opinion and I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, because it's not provable. Only Pop knows the answer to your theory and as far as we know so far, he is simply working with what he has (like he does every season).

Obviously; that's by default though. Someone has to eat up minutes when Ginobili isn't playing.

The minute allocation is what it is because neither Anderson nor Butler has gotten the job done, which is why their minutes are in flux and why Simmons is now on the active roster and getting some run.

If you've been paying attention, in relatively close games, he'll generally play a fourth wing roughly the first 5 minutes of the 2nd quarter, only to go down to three (with Mills playing spot minutes at SG, if the match-ups allow) in the 2nd half.

[ElNono]

Obviously; that's by default though. Someone has to eat up minutes when Ginobili isn't playing.

The minute allocation is what it is because neither Anderson nor Butler has gotten the job done, which is why their minutes are in flux and why Simmons is now on the active roster and getting some run.

If you've been paying attention, in relatively close games, he'll generally play a fourth wing roughly the first 5 minutes of the 2nd quarter, only to go down to three (with Mills playing spot minutes at SG, if the match-ups allow) in the 2nd half.

It could easily be Green or McCallum, which are more seasoned in the NBA and already play few or no minutes. I really think he likes KA, and that's why he has him at this point in front of Butler and Simmons in the rotation.

He's going with the kids, and it makes sense, even if they're thinking about making a move mid-season. Pop is a guy that will give them a chance to show what they have before parting ways with any of them.

And I did notice the short rotation, but that's kinda of what I expect the team to do in the playoffs anyways. This isn't the same team as the last few years, where we're going to see a deep rotation when it matters. Our "top" players (LMA/Kawhi) are young and can play a lot of minutes, so I expect the playoff rotations for this team to be much shorter than years past.

[Nathan89]

There is definitely a lack of talent that pushes Kawhi to play more minutes. He'd probably play 32min a night if his backups weren't trash. When we get pushed he plays like 40 minutes which is fine in the playoffs but for regular season it's not. It just show that Pop can't depend on any of the replacements without almost giving away the close games.

Didn't know TD21 hated Elnono though.

[ElNono]

There is definitely a lack of talent that pushes Kawhi to play more minutes. He'd probably play 32min a night if his backups weren't trash. When we get pushed he plays like 40 minutes which is fine in the playoffs but for regular season it's not. It just show that Pop can't depend on any of the replacements without almost giving away the close games.

Kawhi is averaging 34 mpg... and Pop could easily play Green more (28mpg right now) as Kawhi's backup. Kawhi's minutes are in-line with what young Tony used to play (34 mpg too).

[Nathan89]

Kawhi is averaging 34 mpg... and Pop could easily play Green more (28mpg right now) as Kawhi's backup. Kawhi's minutes are in-line with what young Tony used to play (34 mpg too).

The reason he doesn't do that is because he knows the offense needs some playmaking ability.

[TD 21]

It could easily be Green or McCallum, which are more seasoned in the NBA and already play few or no minutes. I really think he likes KA, and that's why he has him at this point in front of Butler and Simmons in the rotation.

He's going with the kids, and it makes sense, even if they're thinking about making a move mid-season. Pop is a guy that will give them a chance to show what they have before parting ways with any of them.

And I did notice the short rotation, but that's kinda of what I expect the team to do in the playoffs anyways. This isn't the same team as the last few years, where we're going to see a deep rotation when it matters. Our "top" players (LMA/Kawhi) are young and can play a lot of minutes, so I expect the playoff rotations for this team to be much shorter than years past.

What are you talking about? No matter how much Leonard/Green play, someone has to eat up backup minutes, so when Ginobili is not available, Anderson, Butler or Simmons, will get minutes by default. They don't seem to view McCallum as an SG option, even in select match-ups.

They don't need to part ways with Anderson and Simmons. They're just not a fit playing off the ball and are not ready (maybe not good enough period, but it's too soon to say) to be rotation players on a championship contender.

You're going to see how big of an issue this is this month, when there's no more than a day between games. I guarantee they lose some games and labor throughout others because Ginobili either sits, barely plays or doesn't have legs and because Leonard can't play around 40 every game. Then the lack of a Neal/Belinelli type will become even more glaring.

Didn't know TD21 hated Elnono though.

I don't know him well enough to determine whether I hate him or not. Even if I did, I wouldn't hate him because we disagree about basketball frequently.

[ElNono]

What are you talking about? No matter how much Leonard/Green play, someone has to eat up backup minutes, so when Ginobili is not available, Anderson, Butler or Simmons, will get minutes by default. They don't seem to view McCallum as an SG option, even in select match-ups.

They don't need to part ways with Anderson and Simmons. They're just not a fit playing off the ball and are not ready (maybe not good enough period, but it's too soon to say) to be rotation players on a championship contender.

You're going to see how big of an issue this is this month, when there's no more than a day between games. I guarantee they lose some games and labor throughout others because Ginobili either sits, barely plays or doesn't have legs and because Leonard can't play around 40 every game. Then the lack of a Neal/Belinelli type will become even more glaring.

I'm talking when Gino is available, this is what you'll see except when there's a blowout. I like Beli, but we couldn't afford him. When Gino isn't available, it'll probably be Green and Simmons picking up his minutes.

But, as you say, we'll see in a month. As far as McCallum is concerned, I think he'll play when Tony rests, which just hasn't happened this season yet, but will happen considering he played for France over the summer.

[ElNono]

The reason he doesn't do that is because he knows the offense needs some playmaking ability.

He would be playing with Boris and potentially Manu... I don't think it would be a problem. Kawhi right now plays 5-6 minutes with the bench and LMA... Danny could easily take those minutes.

Obviously, we would also like Danny to get his shot straight too.

[SAGirl]

I agree with you ElNono, while I also respect TD 21's view. The fact that in close games and against elite compe ion Pop is sticking to a super tight schedule lends some validity to his point,I thought. However, I have come to realize that that Kawhi is at this point so superior to any backup, that Pop would play him in close games and against elite compe ion as much as he could spare him regardless of who his backup is because he lives and dies by his best player, which is completely fair.

Rasual and Anderson have stepped up when we needed them, and have both helped us win games that were still on the line (not talking about garbage time). Simmons has shown he can play, and has succeded in holding onto or expanding leads, which means he may yet get a role as the season progresses. However, none of these 3 are going to be on Kawhi's level, and Pop is likely to continue to select "the flavor of the month" which is really nothing else than giving a chance to the rookie and the youngest guy in our team to develop, or going with Rasual when he wants someone who is a veteran likely to limit his mistakes.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Play Diaw and West a whole lot less together and start getting Kawhi some damn time at the 4.

Leonard at the 4 lineups would kill the opposition.

[TD 21]

I'm talking when Gino is available, this is what you'll see except when there's a blowout. I like Beli, but we couldn't afford him. When Gino isn't available, it'll probably be Green and Simmons picking up his minutes.

But, as you say, we'll see in a month. As far as McCallum is concerned, I think he'll play when Tony rests, which just hasn't happened this season yet, but will happen considering he played for France over the summer.

Even when Ginobili is available, they desperately need a Neal/Belinelli type, not only to help spread the minutes around and unlock more lineup flexibility, but to blow games open every once in a while.

I realize Belinelli couldn't be afforded, but they need someone of that mold. I mentioned Jenkins in the summer and Ellington in recent weeks, as possible candidates.

[ceperez]

Even when Ginobili is available, they desperately need a Neal/Belinelli type, not only to help spread the minutes around and unlock more lineup flexibility, but to blow games open every once in a while.

I realize Belinelli couldn't be afforded, but they need someone of that mold. I mentioned Jenkins in the summer and Ellington in recent weeks, as possible candidates.

I agree, difficult to blow out teams without taking enough 3's. Team's now are going the GSW way and playing lots of small ball. It also does show in the Eastern conference teams having better records than many Western teams.

[Nathan89]

Play Diaw and West a whole lot less together and start getting Kawhi some damn time at the 4.

Leonard at the 4 lineups would kill the opposition.

This something we could do if our backup wings were so bad.

[ElNono]

I actually think Beli would've been a solid piece more as a playmaker than a 3 point shooter. I think eventually Danny will get his touch back, and the rest of the shooters (Patty, Manu, Kawhi, Boris, Kyle) are not doing terribly bad. If anything, it's unnerving to see Bobo pass up wide open looks right now.