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    I wasn't using the UTHSCSA as an example of a company (because its not) that would buy lux. boxes or whatever.

    You said KCI was the largest economic stimulator. Granted you did say company but the UTHSCSA again, pumps in over 1 billion annually. Those poeple who make a living being employed by the UTHSCSA but tickets as well. Which, you know, helps make the Dome look more filled.
    I didnt say KCI was the largest economic stimulator - I said they were the largest company - which I believe they are.

    Tickets are fine, but the NFL - and TOm Benson- want to see skyboxes sold, and the UTHSC isnt going to be buying them. Local companies buy them for use with their big clients and bigwigs. Universities dont buy them.

    New Orleans is not our size.
    The metro area of New Orleans is about 1.3mm people. Thats roughly comparible to SA.

    SA is unique in that we dont have a ton of huge suburbs. Most of our people are in the actual city limits. In the past few years, Boerne has gotten bigger and more people commute from NewB, but it isnt like most big cities.

    There are 2mil people in Houston, but 5mil in the metro area (sugarland, conroe, new caney, humble, katy, baytown, clear lake, etc.) There were 450,000 people in new orleans, but 1.3mm in the metro area (which includes Slidell, Gretna, Kenner, Metarie, Covington, Mandeville, etc)

    Because of this, it is hard to compare total populations. SA at 1.2mm people has more people than Dallas, but does anyone want to compare the two? We have a lot of people, but we are one of the worst TV markets in the nation.

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    New Orleans is not our size.

    Denver has a population of barely 400,000 more than San Antonio.

    Buffalo? They have an NFL and NHL team. Pittsburgh with its NFL and NHL team. Indy with its NFL and NBA team

    Have you ever in your life been to Denver? Denver's downtown puts SA's to shame.

    Which MSA has a higher average per capita income? disposable income? Which MSA has a larger TV market? What other NFL franchises are there in Colorado? New Mexico? Wyoming?

    There are some reasons Denver has four major pro sport franchises and San Antonio de Bexar has one.

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    You poor San Antonians...I tole you guys the way this was going to get portrayed in the media and that the NFL would be resistant to moving the Saints, especially right now, and would nix itm and it would be a PR nightmare if ya'll went hard after the Saints while they are still pulling the bodies out of NO.

    What did I get? A pile-on. Don't say you weren't warned...you should have let LA set themselves up as the bad guys.


    And it is true...the NFL does have an interest in keeping the Saints in NO if only for it's Superbowl signifigance.


    Oh and don't even think Austin is part of the SA market...it's UT's and the Cowboys market..no one else, they don't even care about the Spurs here.



    But I don't believe him when he says there's no chance for SA...outside of LA...what other big cites don't have a football team? Isn't SA the biggest? Or close to it? So if he itends to go big SA has to be on his radar.


    But I can tell you guys right now that thinking you can just stick a team into the Alamodome is very naive...That's not the kind of Stadium the NFL is looking for, it's a freaking dump....You guys want the NFL they are going to want to see serious money from you and commitment to a new state of the art stadium.

    And your Mayor needs to play the political game...Tagliabue is putting the squeeze on ya'll for a bigger sign of commitment...you need to come up with a bigger play than just...hey we support the Spurs and we have the Alamodome. Talk about smalltime playyas...sheesh.

    You guys are the Military hub for the entire Southern Unites States, SA is a miltary town...one of the backbones of America. Ya'll need to get a, "Tagliabue hates the Military and doesn't want them to have NFL" campaign going. The NFL is the military's . You need to put his nuts in a political vice, ...and commit to a bigtime stadium.
    BTW, Jones and Tagliabue don't like each other...Tagliabue had no problems ing the Cowboys in the early 90's and destroying that dynasty and it's value as the #1 sports franchise...it's not about Jerry.

    Don't give up SA...but stop being so crass about going after the Saints, at least wait until the bodies are buried..Geezus....and stop acting smalltime by thinking anyone is going to get excited about sticking a franchise in that Dome.

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    Because of this, it is hard to compare total populations. SA at 1.2mm people has more people than Dallas, but does anyone want to compare the two? We have a lot of people, but we are one of the worst TV markets in the nation.
    Chamber of Commerce still does not seem able to grasp what that means.

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    Ok that makes 2 people in bed with Jerry Jones ^^

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    I didnt say KCI was the largest economic stimulator - I said they were the largest company - which I believe they are.

    Tickets are fine, but the NFL - and TOm Benson- want to see skyboxes sold, and the UTHSC isnt going to be buying them. Local companies buy them for use with their big clients and bigwigs. Universities dont buy them.
    That's where our wires were crossed. You were talking about a company buying skyboxes while I was simply talking dollar amounts put into the economy.


    The metro area of New Orleans is about 1.3mm people. Thats roughly comparible to SA.
    1.3 milion is comparible to 1.9 million?[/QUOTE]

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    What is proven is that a city the size of Jacksonville or SA can well support one major franchise.

    What is also proven is that cities our size struggle to support multiple teams. (New Orleans with the Jazz/Saints and Saints/Hornets.)
    Gee....is it because the owners refused to field a competetive team?

    So Green Bay....size 90,000....can support a team and SA...1.8 mil San info.

    Jacksonville 1.1mil
    New Orleans 1.3mil

    We are bigger than New Orleans and they still want to keep the team there?
    They have no stadium. They are playing some home games in a college stadium in a city the size of Corpus Christi.
    LA had TWO CHANCES....too bad....how many chances do they get?

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    Have you ever in your life been to Denver? Denver's downtown puts SA's to shame.

    Which MSA has a higher average per capita income? disposable income? Which MSA has a larger TV market? What other NFL franchises are there in Colorado? New Mexico? Wyoming?

    There are some reasons Denver has four major pro sport franchises and San Antonio de Bexar has one.
    What does Downtown Denver putting SA to shame (and how? Skyscrapers?) have anything to do with ?

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    Chamber of Commerce still does not seem able to grasp what that means.
    Yeah, one of the worst, except s better than New Orleans, Buffalo, Jacksonville.

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    What does Downtown Denver putting SA to shame (and how? Skyscrapers?) have anything to do with ?

    When you cited Denver as an example of a similiar market that supports multiple pro sports franchises, numbnuts.

    Again, go to Denver, take Slomo's camera and report back to me. You'll see.

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    We are big enough for a NFL team. Any other statement is stupid...

    And if you don't support or think we should have a NFL team ... take a hike....

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    Better get your tickets for the only three NFL games to ever be played in San Antonio.
    Got mine.

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    When you cited Denver as an example of a similiar market that supports multiple pro sports franchises, numbnuts.

    Again, go to Denver, take Slomo's camera and report back to me. You'll see.
    Yes, the downtown is nice, skyscrpaper rise, but tell me what new skyscraper has been built in Denver in the last 25 years? That;s right, Denver has the same skyline it had 25 years ago.

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    San Antonio's per capita income is $17k.
    17% live under the poverty line.

    New Orleans' per capita income was $17k.

    Denver has a total metro population of 2.6mm.
    Per capita income of $24K

    Indianapolis, Indiana has a met pop of 1.6mm
    Per capita income of $22K

    Pittsburgh has a total metro population of 2.4mm
    per capita income of $18K

    Should your name be changed to "The Writer -Everyone's "

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    And BTW: New Orleans did NOT support the Hornets or the Saints very well. The government of Louisiana had to pay off both owners.

    When there was just the Saints, they did a pretty good job supporting them.

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    San Antonio's per capita income is $17k.
    17% live under the poverty line.

    New Orleans' per capita income was $17k.

    Denver has a total metro population of 2.6mm.
    Per capita income of $24K

    Indianapolis, Indiana has a met pop of 1.6mm
    Per capita income of $22K

    Pittsburgh has a total metro population of 2.4mm
    per capita income of $18K

    Should your name be changed to "The Writer -Everyone's "
    Thanks for using the 2000 numbers.

    Because last time I checked todays date is 9/20/00.

    Right?

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    And BTW: New Orleans did NOT support the Hornets or the Saints very well. The government of Louisiana had to pay off both owners.

    When there was just the Saints, they did a pretty good job supporting them.
    Louisiana has always had to give Benson a subsidy to stay in New Orleans.

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    Gee....is it because the owners refused to field a competetive team?

    So Green Bay....size 90,000....can support a team and SA...1.8 mil San info.

    Jacksonville 1.1mil
    New Orleans 1.3mil

    We are bigger than New Orleans and they still want to keep the team there?
    They have no stadium. They are playing some home games in a college stadium in a city the size of Corpus Christi.
    LA had TWO CHANCES....too bad....how many chances do they get?
    Green Bay has one pro team - and they have rabid fans that wait a lifetime for season tickets. If they didnt support their team like that, the Packers would be yanked in a heartbeat.

    Jacksonville is only supporting the Jags - no other team.

    That college stadium is bigger than any football stadium in Texas.

    And the Hornets should have never been in NO - they should have gone to Vegas, baby.

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    Yes, the downtown is nice, skyscrpaper rise, but tell me what new skyscraper has been built in Denver in the last 25 years? That;s right, Denver has the same skyline it had 25 years ago.


    It has nothing to do with the skyline. It has plenty to do with the retail and residential development there as well as the degree of fine urban planning. SA's downtown looks like a joke compared to Denver's. It's rather obvious that the Denver area has a much more attractive population from a TV market perspective than San Antonio, which is why, again, Denver has 4 pro teams and SA has 1. Denver's population has a higher avg per capita income, disposable income and # of households with TVs.

    Plus the number of skyscrapers means jack . What matters more is the amount of overall office space and quality thereof in the MSA.

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    They are painting a 65 foot Saints logo on the dome right now...

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    Green Bay has one pro team - and they have rabid fans that wait a lifetime for season tickets. If they didnt support their team like that, the Packers would be yanked in a heartbeat.
    For someone who seems to think he knows everything. You'd think he'd know that the Green Bay Packers are the only pro team that is publicly traded, which is the reason they're still even in Green Bay.

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    Because of this, it is hard to compare total populations. SA at 1.2mm people has more people than Dallas, but does anyone want to compare the two? We have a lot of people, but we are one of the worst TV markets in the nation.
    No....because we are comparing SMSA not city population......Dallas includes Fort Worth as well

    Just because we have fewer suburbs means nothing. SA's SMSA is bigger than New Orleans, dosen't matter if they are in the city limits or not.

    The NFL doesn't want to move into a "small" market.....yet we have Jacksonville, Buffalo, Green Bay, etc.

    Also, the Vikings ar not seeing much love and aren't they supposed to be a big market? They are wanting to move. Market size has nothing to do with NFL aspirations.

    The Oilers moved but were in a big market, as did the Cardinals, Browns, Colts.

    Indy is not much bigger than San Antonio...what major companies are based there?
    It was mentioned somewhere that toyota would pitch in 25-30mil dollars to keep the Saints if needed. Plus Benson has implied that the Saints shpuld be in San Antonio and if NO is unavailable due to logistics he wants to play here. If you allow Al Davis to moved as he pleases along with Art Modell, and the Oilers' owner why not the Saints?

    Ask Jerry Jones.

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    Thanks for using the 2000 numbers.

    Because last time I checked todays date is 9/20/00.

    Right?
    You know the census is only done every 10 years right. This isnt really news. Started that way in 1790 or so. Read up, dumbass.

    The population of every city is estimated for this year.

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    It has nothing to do with the skyline. It has plenty to do with the retail and residential development there as well as the degree of fine urban planning. SA's downtown looks like a joke compared to Denver's. It's rather obvious that the Denver area has a much more attractive population from a TV market perspective than San Antonio, which is why, again, Denver has 4 pro teams and SA has 1. Denver's population has a higher avg per capita income, disposable income and # of households with TVs.

    Plus the number of skyscrapers means jack . What matters more is the amount of overall office space and quality thereof in the MSA.
    Much more attractive population from a TV market perspective?

    Lets try a less vague next time.

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    You know the census is only done every 10 years right. This isnt really news. Started that way in 1790 or so. Read up, dumbass.

    The population of every city is estimated for this year.
    Yeah, and the 10 year census isn't estimated as well....

    The census releases yearly numbers that are as good as the 10 year census.

    Read up, dip .

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