In defense of the Parker/LMA PnR. In defense of Tony Parker (for the most part).

[TheGreatYacht]

Hoops has so many ing bad takes he retired so people could forget them.

Lol nobody even acknowledges you

[Brazil]

Wow op you completely twisted my words. Teams arent gameplanning or scheming against it, they are gameplanning to make it the spurs gameplan. Its entirely two different things. I appreciate the effort but this is nothing but a play by play analysis of said particular plays.

Of course you dont want your PG to completly be reduced to a ball watcher and pf course PnR with him result in him getting looks but the issue in hand here is how the teams generate looks. Hes not.going to command double teams and as evident he had lopez twice on him because frankly they would rather have him try to win games.

Every gameplan is going generate looks. The issue in hand is that parker being the Focal is not how you would want the team to generate looks because he has the tendency to heroball as evident with the last poosession.


His pass to kawhi was a desperation pass.

Parker is basically one of the very few players alongside rose and kobe who have roles that is completly not alinged with their current abilities.

Of course the.

Speaking of twisting stuff... Point of mid is that these PnR are generating "good" looks meaning shots at high %. Parker is having good opportunities off those PnR and is converting at one most % of the league. Parker role is that sense is totally
aligned with his current abilities... A bonehead play that he recognized btw is not representative of how good those plays are.

now I'd like to see more PnR with Kawhi and LMA during games and late game situations... True... but adding that does not mean this Parker PnR is not good.

your whole argument is pretty vanilla if you ask me

[EVAY]

Good "ignore" by Tony there. That would've been a tough cross court pass. As we see, the Spurs got a double switch off the play.



Much higher percentage situation than cross courting a pass to Kawhi. I also think Kawhi was doing some decoying there, as well. See how he drew Galloway out of the paint. He probably didn't expect the ball.

This is one of the observations that I think a fair number of Kawhi player fans miss, and it has always surprised me that people seem to miss it. The fact that a player looks like he is 'calling for the ball' doesn't always mean that the ball is supposed to go to that player. Additionally, look at the Knicks defenders in that last screenshot. They are all focused on the ball in TP's hands, meaning, as you so clearly pointed out, that if Parker were to attempt a cross court pass to Kawhi it would likely get picked off. It is so often why the 'hockey assist' approach is so frequently used by the Spurs.

None of the above means that Parker has great court vision; he never really has and is unlikely to develop it now. It is simply not one of his talents. He doesn't have the height that a Manu has, nor does he process the game as quickly as someone like Manu does. Very few players on any team do. Suggestions that he is purposely avoiding or sabotaging any other player or the theam effort are just idiotic, though.

[BD24]

Don't hurt em Mid

[Macca76]

It seems pretty obvious its a Lakers fan down to the SDSU angle on Kawhi. Post an article from Bruno's 'new' blog and it becomes really obvious.

Some people don't like the fact that some ideas and opinion are less valid and shouldn't be treated as equal. You get that cause you troll from that angle yourself quite often.

What is Bruno's 'new' blog ?

[Macca76]

It seems pretty obvious its a Lakers fan down to the SDSU angle on Kawhi. Post an article from Bruno's 'new' blog and it becomes really obvious.

Some people don't like the fact that some ideas and opinion are less valid and shouldn't be treated as equal. You get that cause you troll from that angle yourself quite often.

What is Bruno's 'new' blog ?

[ElNono]

What is Bruno's 'new' blog ?

He used to be mentioned by Timothy Varner at 48 minutes of (see here).

I don't know if that's what Fuzzy is talking about.

[YGWHI]

See how he drew Galloway out of the paint. He probably didn't expect the ball.

Parker has the ball in his hands, and Kawhi -6' 7'' 229 pounds- vs Galloway -6ft 2in 202 lb- on a mismatch...it's very likely that Kawhi doesn't expect the ball in those situations.

Finally something we can agree.

[midnightpulp]

Parker has the ball in his hands, and Kawhi -6' 7'' 229 pounds- vs Galloway -6ft 2in 202 lb- on a mismatch...it's very likely that Kawhi doesn't expect the ball in those situations.

Finally something we can agree.

The play I posted wasn't a post up. Do you really want Tony Parker (who is a suspect passer) making a difficult cross-court pass to Kawhi, when he has the switch on Lopez or the option of passing it into LMA who has Melo sealed on the low block?

Now, the situation where Kawhi had a Galloway pinned was a clear miss on Tony's part.

[YGWHI]

The play I posted wasn't a post up. Do you really want Tony Parker (who is a suspect passer) making a difficult cross-court pass to Kawhi, when he has the switch on Lopez or the option of passing it into LMA who has Melo sealed on the low block?

Our PG knows he has a big guarding him but also, one of our best offensive players has a favorable, so favorable matchup over a small defender.

Why should Parker attack the rim and take a contested shot over Lopez, when he can pass to Manu to Kawhi to attack the rim w/o protection.

Fast and precise passes, fast penetration against a small defender...not sound that bad.

[Hoops Czar]

Our PG knows he has a big guarding him but also, one of our best offensive players has a favorable, so favorable matchup over a small defender.

Why should Parker attack the rim and take a contested shot over Lopez, when he can pass to Manu to Kawhi to attack the rim w/o protection.

Fast and precise passes, fast penetration against a small defender...not sound that bad.

Because he's made a career out of it? I've never seen so much criticism over a made basket in my life. Parker pulled Lopez out of the paint. There was nobody there to contest his shot. You mean you'd choose Manu or Kawhi taking a midrange jumper over Parker getting an easy layup at the rim. I think we've seen that script before. IIRC, he did pass the ball to Manu and he passed it back. The Parker hate in this forum is reaching an all-time embarrassing level.

[ChumpDumper]

Because he's made a career out of it?

It's like they haven't ever seen Parker play.

[YGWHI]

Because he's made a career out of it?

Because he's getting old and can be tired in the last seconds of a game?

Because the Spurs added an incredible offensive talent like LMA and developed Kawhi into one of the best...to not play 2016-Parker like he is still in his prime?

You mean you'd choose Manu or Kawhi taking a midrange jumper over Parker getting an easy layup at the rim.

Since when "fast penetration against a small defender" means midrange jumper?

The Parker hate in this forum is reaching an all-time embarrassing level.

Yeah...because I hate Parker now. My last post yesterday before logout was one saying how much he has ascended into every ranking this season.

I just want Parker to improve his court vision/playmaker skills, and exploit the LMA/Kawhi's matchups that he's missing per game, that's all.

[ChumpDumper]

How many is he missing per game?

[Neurosis]

Really good post OP. I think Parker was great in crunchtime against NYK but I also think there's much better options late game than long 2s.

That's the problem I have with all this. The PnR opens up a bunch of options and that's fine, but good defenses are giving the worst of those options - long mid-range jumpers.

People are saying those plays late game were good - but they weren't. They just worked out that time.

FG% fron 10-16 ft:

Parker: 41%
LMA: 39%

It's fine to have those shots as part of our offense if other options aren't there, but you can't possibly say that regularly running a set that results more often than not in a a 41% 2pt shot is a good choice in crunchtime.

Yeah those shots were open and they went, and the Knicks hit some absurd shots. Loose ball falls in Afflalo's lap for 3, Melo hits a tough fadeaway with Kawhi in his face. Afflalo contested 26ft.

The only real breakdown was that Porzingis slam and the Parker long 2 (honestly wtf was that).

Percentage wise though, 40% long 2s aren't how we'll win against teams who execute well down the stretch.

[SAGirl]

Because he's made a career out of it? I've never seen so much criticism over a made basket in my life. Parker pulled Lopez out of the paint. There was nobody there to contest his shot. You mean you'd choose Manu or Kawhi taking a midrange jumper over Parker getting an easy layup at the rim. I think we've seen that script before. IIRC, he did pass the ball to Manu and he passed it back. The Parker hate in this forum is reaching an all-time embarrassing level.

Ppl just want to see Kawhi with the ball more, that is why the criticism is on that play on which we scored and Tony had looked fir a shot for someone else b4. I don't know if they will ever be satisfied bc Tony missess things at times. He's been better at setting others up & picking his spots selectively but so long as incidents lime that happen ppl will go ballistic. We scored on the play anyways.

If anything the next time down court is when he needed to call a play out fir Kawhi instead of his jacked up shot over Porzinguis.

[midnightpulp]

Our PG knows he has a big guarding him but also, one of our best offensive players has a favorable, so favorable matchup over a small defender.

Why should Parker attack the rim and take a contested shot over Lopez, when he can pass to Manu to Kawhi to attack the rim w/o protection.

Fast and precise passes, fast penetration against a small defender...not sound that bad.

There was no contested shot. Parker blew by Lopez with little problem.

To get the ball to Kawhi from that position would have forced him to make a long cross court pass that Affalo had a bead on (look at the above pic. Affalo is looking directly at Tony). And by the time the pass would've reached Kawhi, Galloway would've closed.

Only Lebron can really make that pass with any kind of pin point accuracy. I've seen Parker, Manu, etc throw the ball over the target's head in that situation many times.

Taking Lopez was the correct play here, especially since LMA had Melo sealed.

[dabom]

Only one player in the league can make that pass? What are you smoking. ing so easy, Kawhi is ing eager to get the easy pass.

[dabom]

I've never seen how many people think that is a hard pass. They are ing blind low IQ posters.

[midnightpulp]

Only one player in the league can make that pass? What are you smoking. ing so easy, Kawhi is ing eager to get the easy pass.

The semen shield arrives.

You've never played basketball if you think that's a routine pass for a 6 foot guard.

[dabom]

The semen shield arrives.

You've never played basketball if you think that's a routine pass for a 6 foot guard.

You stupid . That is the easiest pass of the game. What are you ing watching dude?

[dabom]

I can already tell some people don't know about basketball when they make these weak claims to prove a point. I'm done.

[ChumpDumper]

You stupid . That is the easiest pass of the game.

[ChumpDumper]

I can already tell some people don't know about basketball when they make these weak claims to prove a point. I'm done.

Promise?

[dabom]

Promise?

Yeah