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whats the arguement against free speech?..oh yeah
well you could never protest in the middle of the street
i just learned about these during the 04 RNC
i like the name
whats the arguement against free speech?..oh yeah
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Sure you can, if you're permitted.well you could never protest in the middle of the street
They weren't permitted to do so at the RNC in the middle of New York City. All they got was national television exposure for their pithy posters. What a great tragedy.
Nice of you to stalk me, but I there isn't much to say. Looked like alot of people, but so what? We're stuck in Iraq for awhile.
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He'll never leave. He's obsessed.you left...are we to assume you don't care for stupid(er)
Well . . . I can't speak for the protesters. As for my own beliefs, I oppose the war, but I oppose much more the terrorists. You cannot even start to compare by opposition to terrorists with regards to my opposition against the war.
But you, whottt, have labeled me Anti-American because I have voiced my opposition. And that's what ticks me off. I'm probably as far from being Anti-American as you'll find in my country. Just because I don't support the Iraq war and ceratin other American policies, in your eyes, I hate America.
My friend, that's BS.
As I said from the get go...if you argue for the position of those that do hate America then I will respond to you as I would those that do...You yourself elected to argue from the POV of those that hate America...whether it was a case of Devil's advocacy or not...IOW...you put your feet in those shoes...not I. EG: "Why does the rest of the World hate America"
And furthermore...you are very naive about the corruption in the UN and the Anti-American stance of the German Chancellor and many Germans...dead bodies of US soldiers on his campaign posters...
I wonder though...you never took my neo-con or Political Compass test...will you be willing to do so now? I want to see just how far to the left the right is where you come from...it's an interesting dynamic at work for me because I know there is an extremist right wing in Argentina as well...but I haven't seen it from an Argentine on the forum yet...of course these tests are probably not going to be a good indicator anyway, because they are geared at Americans and from the American POV...
And one other thing...you are an Argentine so why is it such a big deal if someone does say the anti-American thing? It's not like it's a big deal if you are...I mean you aren't from America...that's almost like getting offended if I called you Pro-Argentine...
[QUOTE=jochhejaam][QUOTE=RandomGuy]Iraq had NOTHING to do with the "war" on terrorism until we made it that way.I would point out that anybody who had clue one about the middle east or muslim culture/politics could have (and did) say that Iraq would become exactly what it has become: a battleground.
And that's officially and without arguement the final and popular consensus? Because RG says so?
The point I made is that it has been for some time and is today the main artery of terrorist insurgency and is the main theatre of battle where terrorism is being fought.
Argue the historical points of the War, which are presently irrelevant to the battles taking place, with the other pacifists who would prefer we be picked apart by the terrorist's a hundred or a thousand at a time on our soil. As for now, we are fighting a sick, demonic, demented enemy who arbitrarily maim and kill regardless age, gender, race, nationality or political affiliation!
Yes today Iraq is a battleground fought over by the nutjobs we are fighting and our military.
You are fooling yourself if you think that the fighting in Iraq is somehow "keeping them over there".
We are fighting them over there and training them so that they can come over here and kill more civilians. There are a BILLION muslims, most of whom are appalled at what is going on there.
BUT
The fighting there is moving the line that separates those who actively choose to participate in a misguided jihad and those who merely sympathize with it. When that line starts moving, the chances of some cell somewhere successfully attacking us on our own soil increases, because there are a BILLION potential recruits just waiting...
Your ignorance is contributing DIRECTLY to the next successful attack on American soil, traitor.
You have blinded yourself to the failures of this administrations policies, and told yourself that what they are doing is actually working.
Have you EVER talked to ANYONE from the middle east about why there is so much resentment and paranoia about the USA?
Yea.. they are screaming "Allah Ackbar" while they try to kill you..
That's not related at all. Remember Islam is peace.. and Islam can't do you any harm. Resistance is Islam is futile...
Here slap this burka on.. and if I see your ankles or if you leave the city I will beat you senseless for months on in and it will be legal.
Wow you know I always liked my women beaten down.. But Iraq is not related to 9/11 ... that Allah Ackbar is not the same..
One is to blow up nyc the other is to kill your soldier infidel.. you see our
logic is best.
The pilots on 9/11 where not screaming "Allah Ackbar" just like our brave warriors in Iraq do.. that's all just cooked up by the CIA..
You know america is doomed.. and this stupid freedom.. ahahha
Give me a good koran and i'll give freedom where it belongs.. in the select group of a few stupid ing old men that like to beat on women.
yea... your right let's just give up.. after all here in Bulverde I would like a bunch of Call to prayer speakers ...
Just that perfect Texas hill country touch to say "all bow to Allah" in the morning..
I love this DNC future it's great...
Ok I am bending over now and giving up everything we ever fought for..
You ing liberals happy now ??
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Fool. You think that the people who do the arming and bomb building are the ones who are dying?
The ones we are "attacking conventionally" in Iraq are NOT those who represent the greatest threat. The masterminds behind this are gaining all sorts of operational know-how and the casualty figures for the coalition support that assertion rather well.
We are killing a lot of stupid young men, and the ones behind THEM, the cynical manipulators, will go on to form the cadre that trains the next generation of Al Qaeda adherents that the fighting and Abu Gharaib pictures are creating.
I am NOT saying or advocating that we cut and run and leave the Iraqi people in the wind.
We have, though a grievous mistake and poorly planned war, incurred a moral obligation to help them to the best of our ability.
BUT
This administration has proven itself too ham-handed, disinterested, and incompetant, for me to trust that the "best of our ability" is happening.
Why yes I have in fact...I have also dated a girl whose family was from Vietnam, and muslim woman from Pakistan before(now an athiest)...and they'd both probably spit in your face if they were to meet you.
You are pretty right about that bit. You never explicitly said such things should be banned.
AND
You are 100% right that you have the right to say what you think. Good citizens have the obligation to say so in a functioning democracy.
Good, and what did they say about why the US is mistrusted in parts of the world?
The president is not going to give you the full battle plan....
Your just saying what the media wants you to say. If you look at the battle facts
we kicked some ass. You just have media crying and doing body count. But if you look at how much armor, planes, lasers etc we have deployed and the quality of the support. It blows away past wars...
The tech spin off alone will boost the private sector and civil technology thru the militarys transfer programms.
The president as the elected commander after 911 decided to take Saddams ass out..
Other people had to find dirt like scapegoat Powell..
But yea our president didn't ing wait he went in to kick some ass.. and we have spanked that ass if you do the numbers compared to past human conflicts..
What I would suggest is that since YOU guys think the war is bad that in 2004 you elect BUsh out and put in Kerry..
Oh wait.. you lost...
I hear Detroit has good fishing...
This is your best point yet, and the reason I personally dislike these large protests.
The world is rife with corrupt governments and brutal dictators. We SHOULD be protesting them, and scrupulously link relations with us to human rights and freedom.
If half the effort put into protests like this was put into working towards getting rid of these petty tyrants, the world would be a better place.
And this activity is "terrorist sympathizing" and "anti-American" because *you* say so, and that is beyond arguing...
There is a HUGE difference between thinking some of our policies are evil and our country is evil.
Most liberals would say as much. I love my country every bit as much as you do. I just don't blind myself to it's faults and mistakes. I prefer having the FULL truth, for good or ill.
The military was already in the midst of a moderisation that would have happened with or without a pointless invasion.
This whole stupid war has made us less safe, and there is a LOT more that backs that assertion than the other way around.
Oh I agree...their leaders are too cowardly to do the suicide bombings and risk their own lives.
No the ones doing the suicide bombings and killing are the homless and poverty ridden children schooled by the Madrassas and turned into total instruments of death...
But you are wrong if you think they are not a danger, stick a nuke on one of these guys and he is far more dangerous than the leaders...and you are wrong if you don't think toppling Saddam, and the second most powerful military(albeit weakened) in the Middle East, doesn't send a message to the leaders in the despotic countries where terrorism is rampant....I gurantee you at the highest levels those guys are starting to tell their Mullah's and College professors to temper their anti-American sentiment...and aim it elsehwere(unfortunately they don't have anywhere to aim it...and they certainly can't aim at the deserving parties, themselves).
You see the message that was sent with the fall of Iraq is...if you don't improve your social programs and stop pointing the finger at us we are going to take your country from you.
That is the attack on the leaders...and the only thing that undermines it is the anti-war sentiment here in the US..the only think keeping those leaders from ting in their pants is the believe, thanks to our anti-wars, that the American people will not stand for another pre-emptive strike...so now, they still have hope that if they can just ramp up a few terrorist attacks and kill a couple of US soldiers...America will eventually fall from within...just like how the Soviets beat us in Vietnam.
As for the foot solider terrorists...these guys were there to being with...they are fanatical killing machines that cannot be redeemed. They can only be killed...and they are a of a lot easier to kill in Iraq in a conventional war than they are lurking in the shadows.
There are only two demographics that breed fanaticism...the very wealthy, who are that way because they seek power, and the very poor and opressed(who turn to religion to deal with the hopelessness of their sitution)...We are killing a lot of stupid young men, and the ones behind THEM, the cynical manipulators, will go on to form the cadre that trains the next generation of Al Qaeda adherents that the fighting and Abu Gharaib pictures are creating.
That is what Cindy Sheehan is saying....I am NOT saying or advocating that we cut and run and leave the Iraqi people in the wind.
This administration has proven itself too ham-handed, disinterested, and incompetant, for me to trust that the "best of our ability" is happening.
Did you guys honestly think this was only going to take 6 months?
We've been there over 2 years, toppled the second largest army in the world, been fighting a terrorist insurgency with a global recruiting base, and less than 2000 soldiers have been killed...
Everyone knows it's the Iraqis that are going to have to seize this opportunity...and they are doing so.
How come you guys don't notice that the terrorist are attacking the Iraqi people now? How come you guys haven't noticed that Al Qaeda has declared war on the Shi'as? How come you haven't noticed the Shia students opposing the millitant Shi'as in the south...
There is no unified muslim base here...we've driven a wedge between the terrorists and the moderate muslims...the only ones that can police their religion are the muslims themselves and the willingness to do so, is now there, whereas before it wasn't.
There are certain faults with this war...dissolving the Iraqi Army carelessly...failure to secure the Saudi, Syrian, and Iranian border(although that may have been by design to let the terrorists into a kill zone)...
But there is no ing such thing as a perfect war...and historically, this has been one of the most effective wars waged in American history....but it's far from over....but it's not as far away as you like to believe.
And more importantly...we are crawling up Iran's ass in every direction...we have much more ability to put pressure on them than we did before...if they think Bush has the balls to come down on them...there is no doubt Bush has done his part to send the message that these guys need to fear him...and there is also no doubt that our anti-wars have undermined that message and given them hope...
And if you don't agree we should cut and run...then what the are you protesting about?
Bush's can't run again...and we can't change the fact that we invaded Iraq...so what purpose does this anti-war protest serve? We already know you guys hate Bush...we knew it in the last election...it hurt your cause...
I elect to argue from nobody's position but mine.
More than once I took back the word "hate" in the le of that thread. I said many times I should have used the word "dislike" (I actually went back and changed the le of the thread). Again, you are using against me the same stupid arguments people use againt you in the "Shane Heal" or "Dave vs The Coyote" arguments.
In any case, it was and still is a legit question. And it has nothing to do with hating America. You, who love America so much, could have asked the same question.
There is a reality and that is that America is not a well-liked nation. You even said it many times in the Auschwitz thread. So what's wrong with asking Americans why they think other people outside America have issues with them?
I believe there needs to be a body, a League of Nations if you will, who regulates certain World affairs. I don't want the US, Britain, Germany, France or Argentina, for that matter, doing as they please in very sensitive issues as invading other soveriegn nations.
And what about the anti-German and ant-French stance in the US? There were even some idiotic politicians trying to change the name of the french fries to "freedom" fries
His campaign posters were truly a disgrace and you have every reason to be mad at him.
I started taking it but got caught up in something else. I would probably come out as a liberal.
I'm not sure I follow you.
The only reason it's a big deal if you say I'm anti-American, it's because I'm not.
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