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    Min wage is not a safety net
    I'm not saying it is. I don't know what raising it so high will accomplish, but raise the local cost of living, and make other wage earners demand more as well.

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    Why hold the children responsible?
    I hold the parents responsible. It's the parents that committed the child abuse, by having kids they can't afford.

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    But you are punishing the children by proxy.

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    If people are irresponsible enough to have kids they can't afford, they should have their tubes tied in exchange for subsidies so they can't burden society with more subsidies in the future.

    They should be ashamed of themselves. I would expect them to work 80 hrs a week if needed, because they deserve that for their irresponsibility.

    They are losers. Not because they are poor, but because they feel en led for other people to subsidize them.

    I am sick of the losers in this country!

    Now of course, there are exceptions. People who had good income and had bad luck. Not many of those on subsidies fit that category though.
    On $11-12/hr it is possible to raise a child. Ideally both parents are working full-time jobs at least 40 hrs/week. If they're desperate, they still need to share financial responsibilities of parenting.

    The minimum wage being where it's at right now though just doesn't allow for it. That's why I'm for increasing it. Unless you have no desire to go out and find a job, worrying about being able to financial support your kid shouldn't be a worry. It shouldn't be counted as a priveledge to be able to raise a kid, but something you can do with a regular job and not having to defer to the govt. (which in the end is OUR money) because multi-billion dollar corporations don't pay enough. In this situation, it's more us bailing out corporations & companies than govt. bailing out those who can't afford .

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    I have stated there are exception in post 25.
    Exceptions to your forced sterilization policy? Oh, okay, that's a relief.

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    If divorce happens due to abuse, and the woman takes full-custody of the child, and gets child support, then she & child can live & provide off of a wage of $11-12 hr on 40 hrs a week. It wouldn't be the greatest of living standards, but I wouldn't call it poverty. Unless, you're living in New York City, San Fran , LA etc. where the cost of living is ridiculous. In which case, move & settle to a more wallet-friendly part of the country. Again, not ideal. But that's what happens when you knowingly & naively produce a child with an alcoholic or wife-beater.


    You're right, it's always obvious that a relationship will become abusive, so they should know what they're getting into.

    Frankly, the reasons for the divorce are not even important. A person should be able to leave a dead marriage without their children suffering from poverty.

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    You're right, it's always obvious that a relationship will become abusive, so they should know what they're getting into.

    Frankly, the reasons for the divorce are not even important. A person should be able to leave a dead marriage without their children suffering from poverty.
    I was being facetious. I know it's not that simple always, still it's probably pretty common--common enough so as not to automatically elicit a sympathy response for the woman since the evidence pointing to a bad partner is usually present, but ignored (fwiw, my mother, who I love dearly, was one of these women). You play with fire...still of course I feel bad for kid. Which is why I don't think they should have to live in poverty. And I never did say that. If parents work jobs, they should be able to provide a decent, modestly comfortable living for themselves and a kid. The $15/hr wage alternative that's being offered up here though goes beyond that.

    So maybe the kid grows up without the newest gadgets, clothes and shoes, and doesn't get a cell phone by the time he's nine, or new car at 16...That builds character--it built character in me. Growing up with little HELPED me, lit a fire under my ass. I grew up in one of the poorest counties, in one of the poorest neighborhoods in the U.S. There's silver lining to not growing up with much.

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    its not how much you make its how much you spend

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    Exceptions to your forced sterilization policy? Oh, okay, that's a relief.
    It's not forced.

    It's the payment one gives to accept subsidies. It's an insurance that their subsidy rate will not need be increased in the future.

    We already have too many kids who have little chance of not repeating their parents mistakes. Why not try to reduce the burden on society?

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    Because when you choose the work those and other professions, it should come at the expense of certain things. Quality of life should be one, as it incentivizes education & self-improvement. 60 hrs/week isn't ridiculous IMO.
    Yeah, its beyond that.

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    It's not forced.

    It's the payment one gives to accept subsidies. It's an insurance that their subsidy rate will not need be increased in the future.

    We already have too many kids who have little chance of not repeating their parents mistakes. Why not try to reduce the burden on society?
    Why do you continue to conflate subsidies with min wage?

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    Sort of. It becomes your life, for part of your life. and I worked 70-80 hrs/week sometimes. I worked 136 straight days at 10-12 hrs/day. But it's not permanent unless you want it to be. Now, my work is not my life.
    Your personal experience is not necessarily the way the world works although you may think it is.

    My work is a huge part of my life and I love it. I think about it constantly and it's wonderful.

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    It isnt compatible with having a life. It becomes a life.
    Gotta pay bills. Prioritize time after the fact.

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    LOL...

    Closer to half that when I first started working.
    me too. I remember getting around 1.75 an hour.

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    y'all's history. Everybody's got one

    The point is that Federal minimum wage should be $15 now, indexed in inflation and locale, and stepped up to $25/hour (in 2015 base) by 2025.

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    y'all's history. Everybody's got one

    The point is that Federal minimum wage should be $15 now, indexed in inflation and locale, and stepped up to $25/hour (in 2015 base) by 2025.
    Still wouldn't help you since you're too busy in your mom's basement scrolling articles.

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    Still wouldn't help you since you're too busy in your mom's basement scrolling articles.
    wonderful comeback, always devastating

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    Why do you continue to conflate subsidies with min wage?
    I'm not. This is a tangent. However, minimum wage should never be considered a living wage. Anyone wanting minimum wage as a living wage has surrendered. Saying they are incapable of doing better. it will hamper motivation.

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    minimum wage should never be considered a living wage.
    you rigthwingnuts are proving yourselves repeatedly to be black-hearted bas s, ing the poor every which way.

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    you rigthwingnuts are proving yourselves repeatedly to be black-hearted bas s, ing the poor every which way.
    Well, if you want to be coddled and suck your thumb all your life, that's on you.

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    Well, if you want to be coddled and suck your thumb all your life, that's on you.
    go take you meds. XZ might have some left over.

    the 99% are coddling the 1%/BigCorp/VRWC by being ripped off by them for $Ts for decades.

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    me too. I remember getting around 1.75 an hour.
    What year was that?

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    boutons on that $25/hour minimum wage again?

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    boutons on that $25/hour minimum wage again?
    why not? you've been dumbed down to eat as inevitable, unchallengeable
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 03-06-2016 at 02:24 PM.

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    why not? you've dumbed down to eat as inevitable, unchallengeable
    Can you write in complete sentences instead of word salad?

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