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    Ok....

    So do you think a child should be raised with a mom and a dad or two moms or two dads. if everything else was equal?
    whichever are going to be the better providing and more caring parents. beyond that, yes i'm sure it would be useful for there to be a male figure and female figure (to help guide the son/daughter when certain situations come up). but kids have so many other role models to look up to. i never really had "the talk" with my old man. i mean we would discuss things here and there, but there was never that one definitive "talk." in fact i would talk to my cousins or friends more than i did with my dad about that stuff.

    so the importance of that can be pretty overrated. as long as the parents are loving, caring, providing, and supportive i couldn't care less

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    whichever are going to be the better providing and more caring parents. beyond that, yes i'm sure it would be useful for there to be a male figure and female figure (to help guide the son/daughter when certain situations come up). but kids have so many other role models to look up to. i never really had "the talk" with my old man. i mean we would discuss things here and there, but there was never that one definitive "talk." in fact i would talk to my cousins or friends more than i did with my dad about that stuff.

    so the importance of that can be pretty overrated. as long as the parents are loving, caring, providing, and supportive i couldn't care less
    So you do get it, I knew it.


    All that other, I can't agree with Avante totally was, hahaha~~~~~~

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    Was that funny or what? The guy tried everything possible to never, ok ok you're right, it is better for a kid to have a mom and a dad.

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    Was that funny or what? The guy tried everything possible to never, ok ok you're right, it is better for a kid to have a mom and a dad.

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    Your reading comprehension skills blow

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    yes i'm sure it would be useful for there to be a male figure and female figure (to help guide the son/daughter when certain situations come up).

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    As someone whose biological dad died when I was 9 (and my mom got married 4 years later, to a very good guy), there was a 2 year period where I didn't have a dad/father-figure, and I can remember how depressing it was. If it had continued, and my mom never re-married, or didn't re-marry a good guy, I don't know where I'd be tbqh. I have a friend whose dad also died young, however his mom never re-married. I'm pretty normal, my situation never had long-term repercussions, but my friend is pretty ed up, and I can tie a lot of that into him not having a father figure. His dad died when he was like 3...

    I think gays should be allowed to adopt but they have to be trained/educated/prepared before they can so that in raising the child they can account for what that child is going to grow up not having. I think brushing off what a (good) dad brings to the table, and acting like it's no big deal a gay couple can do it too without being educated, trained etc. is not only stupid but dangerous, potentially. Both roles NEED to be filled for optimal child development, but understand I don't believe they are required to be filled by the traditional the male & female. I do think however that whatever risk factors there are, not just by gay couple adoption but in ANY adoption, they need to be mitigated. The stats on focusing on adoption by gay couples raises some flags and it'd be a disservice to gay couple adoption rights (and not to mention the adopted children) to sweep them under the rug in the interest of political correctness.
    You nailed it my man

    A boy needs a father, not two moms who argue over how to raise a kid. Simply common sense.
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    It's been a while since I read the study (maybe a year), but it was conducted by the IIRC the Family Research Council or something like that. It claimed to be the only study (at the time) with a big enough, reliable enough sample size. It looked at children adopted by gay couples and found that they were at higher risk for things such as molestation, depression, drug addiction, not finishing college etc. (basically out of some 60 categories which you could say are predictors of achievmant these children, now adults, faired worse than kids not raised by a gay couple in all but 4 categories, and by statistically significant margins in a lot of them).

    You can search for the article, but if you come up empty I can link it for you.

    Of course, every article has its biases. I don't personally know anything about the group ( , I'm not even sure if I have its name down) or reliability, but I'm sure they're susceptible potentially to the same political biases & interest group pressures that most others are. I'm not kidding myself. But, all I can go on is the study, and if it didn't give conclusive answers to some of these questions--and as I did I'm sure you can see they're not without their underlying assumptions that warrant still further investigation--it at least sheds some light on the issue, where I personally feel that "political correct" people have dismissed outright way too easily since it may hurt feelings .

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    It's been a while since I read the study (maybe a year), but it was conducted by the IIRC the Family Research Council or something like that. It claimed to be the only study (at the time) with a big enough, reliable enough sample size. It looked at children adopted by gay couples and found that they were at higher risk for things such as molestation, depression, drug addiction, not finishing college etc. (basically out of some 60 categories which you could say are predictors of achievmant these children, now adults, faired worse than kids not raised by a gay couple in all but 4 categories, and by statistically significant margins in a lot of them).

    You can search for the article, but if you come up empty I can link it for you.

    Of course, every article has its biases. I don't personally know anything about the group ( , I'm not even sure if I have its name down) or reliability, but I'm sure they're susceptible potentially to the same political biases & interest group pressures that most others are. I'm not kidding myself. But, all I can go on is the study, and if it didn't give conclusive answers to some of these questions--and as I did I'm sure you can see they're not without their underlying assumptions that warrant still further investigation--it at least sheds some light on the issue, where I personally feel that "political correct" people have dismissed outright way too easily since it may hurt feelings .
    Family Research Council is a biased conservative Christian en y.

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