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    It's best when you go out with dignity and grace -vs- embarrassment and burden. As Willie Nelson says: "turn out the lights, the party's over."

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    Two HOF'ers still contributing while making only $7M. OP is a joke.

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    The weaknesses are one of the worst starting point guards in the league. Maybe the worst?

    + probably not the best big-man makeup. Alone removing David West or getting someone more mobile than either West or Boban would help a lot.

    Kyle if he doesn't develop a shot is a worry for the coming bench years. Bench needs one more shooter for certain. But personally I think playing and developing Simmons over him would solve a lot.
    Pretty sure Parker is better than the bottom tier of starting PG's, actually. I agree that he should no longer be the starter, though. He would probably be more effective coming off the bench against 2nd PG's.

    Anyway, Timmy and Manu have earned the right to do whatever they want. Once those two are gone the team will be in a transition/rebuilding period and isn't guaranteed to reach these heights (5 championships) ever again.

    Whatever Manu and Timmy decide the front office needs to start bringing younger, athletic and hungry talent. They have both draft picks and some intriguing prospects overseas. Need to start building for the future with or without those two.

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    It's best when you go out with dignity and grace -vs- embarrassment and burden. As Willie Nelson says: "turn out the lights, the party's over."
    Sports aren't a ing fairy tale and most players go out broken down or as "losers." I think whatever they do, Manu and Timmy aren't in the company of "losers."

    They both contributed well this last season, but they need to be mentoring younger, more athletic players (i.e. Jonathan Simmons, etc.).

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    Ok. Fine. Duncan off d Bench. Manu is finished thou put a suit on him and tell Becky to get the in the kitchen
    TBH Becky

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    Love em. But we can't have these corpses taking up roster spots and ing up our season again. They need to go.

    If they don't retire, ill become an OKC Thunder fan. You've been warned.
    You'll become a Thunder fan?

    This reminds of all the haters (couldn't resist) who insulted DRob in Summer 2001 and demanded his retirement.

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    And he did suck in 2010. Tbh. Truth hurts
    Get out Thunder fan

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    I'll take 'em in a Bonner/Kevin Martin role.
    I'd like them in that role just for their leadership/corporate knowledge. The problem is that as long as Pop can see them on the bench, he will play them before developing other players. As long as they are suited up, they will stifle the development of young guys we need going forward.

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    Whats wrong with you people?
    I hope you all quit beeing Spurs fans!...yesterday!

    Tim can do whatever he wants. Manu too.
    And for that matter, Pop, Becky and whoever is mentioned here too.

    you bandwaggoners!

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    I'd like them in that role just for their leadership/corporate knowledge. The problem is that as long as Pop can see them on the bench, he will play them before developing other players. As long as they are suited up, they will stifle the development of young guys we need going forward.
    "Corporate Knowledge"

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    Besides the fact that thos thread probably means they come back, I agree. They aren't more valuable than the cap space, and the team can't afford to give rotation spots to part-time players. At this point they're hurting the team's depth, and repairing it will take years. The longer they wait, the harder it's going to be.
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    I share the exact same thoughts.
    Salary that could be used to acquire a younger/in their prime player that can actually help and grow with this team for the upcoming 2-4 years, instead of wasting what remains of LMA good seasons, and Kawhi hopefully continued ascent (as a 24 yr old is not even in his best years of his career yet if healthy). Pop has to prioritize them at this point. Championship teams and cores even take a couple of years to develop together. It is time to rebuild around these guys and move on.

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    Need to get younger. Just look at Portland. Look what they're doing. Pop just needs to change with the times. Duncan maybe off bench.

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    I'd still take even the hobbling Duncan as a backup over Splitter most nights.

    What I don't want is him and Manu being in the same HOF class as Kobe. We already had to endure MJ going in with the Admiral. At least MJ was legit. Watching Tim's speech be the opening act for KB would be an insult.
    This

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    Duncan made this team what it is. He goes out on his own terms.

    This, this and absolutely without a doubt this. We wouldn't of shaved it 11 points the other night without TD on the floor. He ain't done and deserves to leave on his own accord.

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    Dude you've been way too negative all playoffs long. And your fascination for curry, or eliancito, as you call him , is highly annoying. As far as timmy and manu, they have earned the right to play as long as they want to. Have you no honor?

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    Manu will make a of a coach. I can see him trying to sub himself into the game.

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    Duncan can do a lot of good in a first off the bench big role.
    Manu had moments through out the season but he can't provide 20mins a game solidly any more at the current NBA level.
    If the bench role is to bring energy and speed up the pace, then Tim will not fit there. He cannot transition well enough to fit that style. You need a fast big who can make the transition must faster if you're going to have a pace change during the sub out. If you're still playing the same old slow pace, you're just going to lose anyhow. Tim doesn't need to hang around to avoid going into the HOF with Kobe, that thought is silly because Tim doesn't give a about any of that. Tim's speech will last about 1 minute. The two entering at the same time would be fitting since they were rivals throughout their careers. So anyone who watched Kobe's retirement speech would see Tim there as well.

    lol the things people think of to sustain their fandom.

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    Duncan had a knee injury.

    That's not the same as aging -- it's not irrevocable.

    Let's allow him to recover before we put a cap in him.

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    Manu will make a of a coach. I can see him trying to sub himself into the game.
    Manu already said he didn't want to coach. I don't think we'll be seeing much of Manu after he retires. If there's one out of the Big 3 you won't be seeing around the Spurs front office or have some kind of job with the Spurs organization it'll be Manu. Manu has so many wonderful insights, I would love to see him from time to time as a guest commentator. I would also love to see him again on TNT every once in a while with Chuck like this old version. I see Timmy sticking around to do something with the Spurs so fortunately we'll still see him around even if he's done playing which is still going to be very sad if he hangs it up.


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    Agreed.

    The whole le or bust post top 5 all time TD is laughable.

    And any one wants TD gone is a moron.

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    Taking up roster spots when one of them was one of the top defensive bigs in the league, and the other was the only competent member of the second unit? When they're making peanuts compared to similar output players?

    okay...

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    Taking up roster spots when one of them was one of the top defensive bigs in the league, and the other was the only competent member of the second unit? When they're making peanuts compared to similar output players?

    okay...
    The issue is that this assumption is no longer true. They aren't outperforming their contracts now. That was the case the last two seasons. But with their reduced minutes and effectiveness, and with Tim being unplayable against essentially any good team, there are better uses for the money.

    I also think people are overlooking the deleterious effect of rest. How many 24-year-olds tire after playing 39 minutes? Pop's regimen of rest and part-time players didn't seem to allow the guys to save their best for the playoffs. Tim didn't have it until his back was completely against the wall. Manu never had it. If those guys can't step up in the playoffs, there's no point in having them.

    The Spurs need to move on. They may well take a step back next season, but after that, they can use their max slot to add a fourth core piece (not counting Green as a core piece) and compete. If they waste the cap space to give broken-down Tim and Manu another year, it will hurt that plan. Part of it's the money. But part of it is also just them being on the roster, being in the rotation, playing in crunch time, forcing younger guys off the roster, encouraging the Spurs to stash picks. The Spurs jettisoned their old role-players to build around their core six years ago. They have to do so again now. It's just that their old role-players are their former core.

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    The issue is that this assumption is no longer true. They aren't outperforming their contracts now. That was the case the last two seasons. But with their reduced minutes and effectiveness, and with Tim being unplayable against essentially any good team, there are better uses for the money.

    I also think people are overlooking the deleterious effect of rest. How many 24-year-olds tire after playing 39 minutes? Pop's regimen of rest and part-time players didn't seem to allow the guys to save their best for the playoffs. Tim didn't have it until his back was completely against the wall. Manu never had it. If those guys can't step up in the playoffs, there's no point in having them.

    The Spurs need to move on. They may well take a step back next season, but after that, they can use their max slot to add a fourth core piece (not counting Green as a core piece) and compete. If they waste the cap space to give broken-down Tim and Manu another year, it will hurt that plan. Part of it's the money. But part of it is also just them being on the roster, being in the rotation, playing in crunch time, forcing younger guys off the roster, encouraging the Spurs to stash picks. The Spurs jettisoned their old role-players to build around their core six years ago. They have to do so again now. It's just that their old role-players are their former core.
    Thank you

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    Love em. But we can't have these corpses taking up roster spots and ing up our season again. They need to go.

    If they don't retire, ill become an OKC Thunder fan. You've been warned.
    You're already a warriors fan so off

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    Everyone thinks the atmosphere will change when Tim leaves and it will, but nothing like it will for Manu's absence. That 2nd unit is the most exciting thing in basketball, and that being gone is just ty.

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