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    Not surprised to hear SA/Monroe rumors. I brought it up before the draft as a possible candidate but I can see it making some sense even now. Then the logic I had was Tim might come back and SA might be able to absorb that Monroe deal with only sending out abou 7M. Would help them get another big and free up FA cap space for MIL.

    There is still some logic even after FA why MIL would want to dump Monroe and why SA might be interested.

    Again, like Pau, Monroe is on what looks to be a one-year deal. He has a player option for next year which I think he may not exercise. If you are looking to compete as much as you can this year, need a big man and don't want to mess up long-term flexibility there is none better than Monroe.

    Sure, there is some risk (like Pau) that they opt in, but you can't have a perfect scenario. SA needs more big depth (IMO) and fit can't be the big concern; talent is.

    If SA can sneak in by giving up someone like Kyle+Filler (not sure if that is even possible - don't think it is) and get a free audition for Pau/Monroe, I see how that makes sense.
    A basic Kyle for Monroe trade.
    Don't see it happening. At all. But we can keep talking nonsense... What else is there right now?

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    Who was the last player we got from Milwaukee?

    That's just wrong, bringing that up.

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    Sure, I'm interested. Pop can get him in the mold of what we need.

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    Again, like Pau, Monroe is on what looks to be a one-year deal. He has a player option for next year which I think he may not exercise. If you are looking to compete as much as you can this year, need a big man and don't want to mess up long-term flexibility there is none better than Monroe.

    I hate the thought of giving up a 1st round pick for a 1-year rental. Surely the Spurs wouldn't give up more than a second rounder to make something like this happen? And wouldn't Kyle + filler still take a load of filler?

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    Monroe makes 17 mil a year. I do not see how you can get close to a trade without sending Green.

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    Spurs need to send out about 12.2M to get Monroe back I believe.

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    Spurs need to send out about 12.2M to get Monroe back I believe.
    So a basic Kyle for Monroe (even with a 3rd party) is completely not worth bringing up, right?

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    I hate the thought of giving up a 1st round pick for a 1-year rental. Surely the Spurs wouldn't give up more than a second rounder to make something like this happen? And wouldn't Kyle + filler still take a load of filler?
    I don't think SA gives up a pick unless they really love Monroe (which means signing him and I don't think they love him - but who knows).

    Spurs need to send out about 12.2M in salaries to take back Monroes salary.

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    So a basic Kyle for Monroe (even with a 3rd party) is completely not worth bringing up, right?
    Nope - the 3rd party is only relevant to get assets MIL may want. But no matter what, SA has to send out around 12.2M in salary to take on Monroe's 17.2M.

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    Nope - the 3rd party is only relevant to get assets MIL may want. But no matter what, SA has to send out around 12.2M in salary to take on Monroe's 17.2M.
    Yeah... I just don't see it. Maybe... MAYBE Pop sends off Parker (kind of hope not), or Green (completely re ed), but I just don't see either situation happening.
    And if they did, I don't see it moving the needle in the Spurs favor, in the End.

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    I don't think SA gives up a pick unless they really love Monroe (which means signing him and I don't think they love him - but who knows).

    Spurs need to send out about 12.2M in salaries to take back Monroes salary.
    Nope - the 3rd party is only relevant to get assets MIL may want. But no matter what, SA has to send out around 12.2M in salary to take on Monroe's 17.2M.
    Usually when I see a third team involved, they wind up getting a pick for their trouble. I went to Philly first, because they already said that they would be willing to facilitate a Monroe trade. That's why I thought Milwaukee might take one of Philly's young, lower-priced bigs as part of a deal.

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    Usually when I see a third team involved, they wind up getting a pick for their trouble. I went to Philly first, because they already said that they would be willing to facilitate a Monroe trade. That's why I thought Milwaukee might take one of Philly's young, lower-priced bigs as part of a deal.
    Yup - I don't think MIL will have to give up a pick to dump Monroe, but maybe if they are getting Noel back? They might think it's worth it. I just don't see SA giving up a first rounder for Monroe along with Kyle + ?? I mean, it's possible Obvioulsy and with SA drafting so late because of their great record, their first has far less value than most (especially for other teams that might not draft so well).

    But cheap talent is huge and SA needs to keep building that pipeline.

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    I agree. Spurs think they have something with Slomo. Not saying they do, but I think they want to see unless there's a too good to be true trade, which I don't think Monroe is.

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    Usually when I see a third team involved, they wind up getting a pick for their trouble. I went to Philly first, because they already said that they would be willing to facilitate a Monroe trade. That's why I thought Milwaukee might take one of Philly's young, lower-priced bigs as part of a deal.
    Just think of the money SA has to send out, no matter how many teams are involved.
    This team is not deep enough to get rid of much to nab freaking Greg Monroe.

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    Yup - I don't think MIL will have to give up a pick to dump Monroe, but maybe if they are getting Noel back? They might think it's worth it. I just don't see SA giving up a first rounder for Monroe along with Kyle + ?? I mean, it's possible Obvioulsy and with SA drafting so late because of their great record, their first has far less value than most (especially for other teams that might not draft so well).

    But cheap talent is huge and SA needs to keep building that pipeline.

    Yeah, I didn't see Milwaukee being the one to give up a pick, which meant it would be SA on the hook. The thought of it being a first rounder just made me cringe. But if the Bucks were getting Noel? Yeah, they might. I like the thought of that better, because I just hate the thought of giving up a pick for a rental.

    The Bucks gave Monroe a max contract just last season for a reason. They obviously wanted a big man, so I think they would be interested in getting one in return.

    Of course, no one has mentioned that they could trade Manu straight up for Monroe. I just thought I'd say that because I haven't seen enough people fight for one evening.

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    Spurs need to send out about 12.2M to get Monroe back I believe.
    It can't be more than 125% + 100K so, 17.1/1.25 = 13.6 - 100K = 13.5

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    Of course, no one has mentioned that they could trade Manu straight up for Monroe. I just thought I'd say that because I haven't seen enough people fight for one evening.
    Earl Monroe has long retired....

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    It can't be more than 125% + 100K so, 17.1/1.25 = 13.6 - 100K = 13.5
    From my understanding, for non-tax teams, if the outgoing salary is between 9.8M - 19.6M you can take back the outgoing salary + 5M.

    Monroe makes 17.2M. 17.2M - 5M = 12.2M outgoing.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm - Question 84.

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    Why does this team contonue to ignore the team's glaring need of another perimter? Even if we're to assume kawhi is primed to take a major leap with his ball handling responsibility, that doesnt addres that issue completely.

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    Why does this team contonue to ignore the team's glaring need of another perimter? Even if we're to assume kawhi is primed to take a major leap with his ball handling responsibility, that doesnt addres that issue completely.
    Who says they are ignoring it?

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    Who says they are ignoring it?
    What moves have they done to suggest otherwise? They're not playing murray and hopefully not because he's garbage...

    They'e already added Gasol and with a thinner rotation in the playoffs, they need to look at a ball handler rather than another big. One of manu ginobili or Parker will most likely get injured for a stretch not to mention that one of the two will play ty ball in one playoff series at least.

    What has the spurs done to fix that? Show interest in Brandon Bass and Greg Monroe..the latter being a huge risk with a player option next year. Considering some great available PGs next year..no need to make that risk unless its a PG.

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    Don't think Monroe would be worth it for what we'd have to give up. Sure, it'd provide some needed depth for bigs...but then there would be another hole or 2 created in the process.

    To the people who are fond of this idea - what $12+ million in contracts would you want to send to Milwaukee in exchange for Monroe? And don't say Parker, because we all know SA isn't trading him.

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    What moves have they done to suggest otherwise? They're not playing murray and hopefully not because he's garbage...

    They'e already added Gasol and with a thinner rotation in the playoffs, they need to look at a ball handler rather than another big. One of manu ginobili or Parker will most likely get injured for a stretch not to mention that one of the two will play ty ball in one playoff series at least.

    What has the spurs done to fix that? Show interest in Brandon Bass and Greg Monroe..the latter being a huge risk with a player option next year. Considering some great available PGs next year..no need to make that risk unless its a PG.


    Murray garbage? He's better at 19 then your lover Kawhi Leonard was at 19.

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    They'e already added Gasol and with a thinner rotation in the playoffs, they need to look at a ball handler rather than another big. One of manu ginobili or Parker will most likely get injured for a stretch not to mention that one of the two will play ty ball in one playoff series at least.
    Pau is going to play point-center like Noah did when Rose was out.

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    What moves have they done to suggest otherwise? They're not playing murray and hopefully not because he's garbage...

    They'e already added Gasol and with a thinner rotation in the playoffs, they need to look at a ball handler rather than another big. One of manu ginobili or Parker will most likely get injured for a stretch not to mention that one of the two will play ty ball in one playoff series at least.

    What has the spurs done to fix that? Show interest in Brandon Bass and Greg Monroe..the latter being a huge risk with a player option next year. Considering some great available PGs next year..no need to make that risk unless its a PG.
    Not hearing about it, does not mean that SA has not tried. You can only sign who's both available and willing to sign with you. I'm sure they had some offers out to guards but with TP on the roster, drafting Murray and having to re-sign Manu the likely didn't have enough to land Pau and another really good guard.

    Doesn't mean the didn't try. Can't do everything unfortunately.

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