...Failing our children on Evolution

[Blake]

When I said Islam needed a reformation I was suggesting something analogous to 95 theses Martin Luther issued criticizing Roman Catholic doctrine and practice which eventually led to the branching of the various Protestant religions.

Yeah, again, what specific part of Islamic doctrine do you think needs reforming? Do you have 95 theses? Do you have any at all?

You guys keep throwing out "reformation" and then run away.

And don't forget to explain how this reformation will deter extremists from going into terrorist mode, thanks.

[Blake]

If the NT was actually followed we would subjugate our women, kill heretics, and all other manner of malfeasance too.

The OT as well

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The OT as well

OT is worse.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, again, what specific part of Islamic doctrine do you think needs reforming? Do you have 95 theses? Do you have any at all?

You guys keep throwing out "reformation" and then run away.

And don't forget to explain how this reformation will deter extremists from going into terrorist mode, thanks.

It's the same thing as what the reformation did. Luther took issue with church policy that was not based on the gospels teaching. The Catholics liked to give decrees and claim they were the word of god. Luther listed 95 of them but that was the central theme and many of them dated from the founding of the church in the councils of nicaea. The Muslims have the same mechanism coming out of Baghdad and Damascus from the Abuyyid and Ottoman caliphates and they are called Hadiths.

A good start to a Muslim reformation would be rejection of Hadith categorically.

[Avante]

One Nation Under God
In God We Trust
So Help Me God
I Swear to God

That is the world we live in. Everyone reading this isn't too far away from some church.

To constantly battle it....why? People want a God so they have Him.

As far as Muslims go, they are totally wacked and need to be eliminated. Too many are dying because of these re s?

I knew it was bad but didn't realize just how bad off it all was until I recently read the Koran. Talk about some seriousness bull , there it is. Real easy to see why we have all this...BOOOOMMM~~~~~~~~

[pgardn]

If one takes a very close look at the lives of the two leading characters, Jesus and Mohammad, it's very clear who led a less violent life. It's not even close. The life of Jesus fits the Judeo-Christian worldview as well as many Muslims. Just like more reflective Christians have a tough time with the Old Testament, reflective Muslims should have a tough time with the life of Mohammad IMO.

But the overall readings of both Bibles and the Koran are full of violence. Fundamentalists are called such because they hold unbending views. Christians and Muslims have both violated what we call common human decency today. This violation usually fits into a mindset that can't deal with tough questions. The inability of a fundamentalist to say "I don't know" has lead to some horrible consequences when judgements proceed to action.

Both groups are guilty as charged.

And I thank you.

- Judge Wopner

Ps When folks like Avante deal only with the present day conflicts in which Isamic areas are heavily involved it is pitifully sad. People who claim they know history and don't look at the Christian bloodbathes in Europe... it's astounding. Just go back to the breakup of Yugoslavia if you want a reminder. Croatia (largely Catholic) did a number on Muslims. It was overshadowed by the Serbs.

The time Avante lives in does not define history. "Close the book, no need to examine closely, this is how it's always been. I live in the most special time. Me."

[Blake]

A good start to a Muslim reformation would be rejection of Hadith categorically.

I don't think Islamophobes really care. They're gonna lump them all together any way.

[Blake]

One Nation Under God
In God We Trust
So Help Me God
I Swear to God

That is the world we live in. Everyone reading this isn't too far away from some church.

To constantly battle it....why? People want a God so they have Him.

As far as Muslims go, they are totally wacked and need to be eliminated. Too many are dying because of these re s?

I knew it was bad but didn't realize just how bad off it all was until I recently read the Koran. Talk about some seriousness bull , there it is. Real easy to see why we have all this...BOOOOMMM~~~~~~~~

Hey old . This is my thread. Your deal was to stay out so that I leave you alone.

Hit the bricks.

[Th'Pusher]

I don't think Islamophobes really care. They're gonna lump them all rusher any way.

So he provides specifics of what an Islamic reformation might look like and your response is to call him an islamophobe?

Ok.

[Blake]

So he provides specifics of what an Islamic reformation might look like and your response is to call him an islamophobe?

Ok.

They're =/= you're

I'm pretty sure fuzzy isn't an islamophobe

RIF.