OT: National anthem singer kneels during Heat game

[DMC]

Why the accept to sing the anthem in the first place?

That was my entire point that Jamstone seemed to miss, opting instead to talk about how the protest isn't against the anthem itself. Ok. Why is it happening during the anthem? If it's not a protest against what the anthem suggests to be true, then why not take a knee at any given time, like in church when asked to stand?

There was a group of 6 year old football players who took a knee during the anthem. I guess they have been mistreated, beanie weenies and all.

[JamStone]

I didn't miss that point. I responded to it. She did it during the anthem to keep giving the issue visibility.

Once Kapernick did it, was asked about it by reporters, and explained why he was doing it, that started it. Now anytime anyone kneels during the anthem, people know why. Her kneeling during the anthem, you know what it's about. Agree with it, like it, think it's stupid. You know why she's kneeling. You know it's about racial injustices and police killings of black men and black lives matter. You know it's about that. Someone kneels in church when asked to stand, no one knows why the they're doing it.

Come on man. Talk about trying to turn things into mental gymnastics.

[Chris]

Come on man. Talk about trying to turn things into mental gymnastics.

Which is essentially what you're doing imo You're saying that she didn't take a , and we're all here saying that yes she indeed took a and it's in plain sight and it stinks as well.

[james evans]

My problem with the "respect America" crowd is that most of them do nothing to help veterans themselves. You wanna be outraged by this kinda stuff go right ahead, but at least volunteer and put your time and money where your mouth is. Simply standing during the anthem doesn't make you care more about veterans than anyone else.

Exactly. Facebook is filled with racist white people talking about "stop disrespecting veterans" but right now the US government is disrespecting veterans by having a lot of them pay back their bonuses from the early 2000s. Where are these people now? Veterans are the most ted on group in Amerikkka next to black people. Sometimes you have to wait for years to get disability packages that's owed to you. All of these fat ass redneck lazy idiots sit at home and do nothing but are quick to complain when black people speak out against things that's actually done wrong against them. yes I'm a veteran, I can say what I want. I joined the military 20 years ago but after 6 years saw it wasn't the life I wanted to live anymore.

[james evans]

It's ing stupid. Are blacks going to stop shooting each other? Does the 15 year old life of Tyson Gay's daughter matter? No. It's not about that. It's about the knee jerk reaction to any video showing one side of a confrontation where a black person is at a disadvantage to a white person. All other infractions and infringements go unnoticed, end up on the back page of the Chicago news papers as "in another shooting..."

Might as well have a soldier protesting war. Oh wait, we do.

Black people kill blacks, whites kill whites, mexicans kill mexicans. You are more likely to commit violence and even date people in your proximity. Police are paid to protect and serve. CRIMINALS AREN'T PAID TO PROTECT AND SERVE. When a cop shoots an unarmed black person for nothing and people like you say, "well black people kill black people", you're basically saying since criminal kill people, then cops should help them out. When US soldiers are killed in war, do you say, "well, Aermikans kill Amerikans". No, you don't do that. Once again, Criminals aren't paid to protect and serve. But one thing you are doing correct is that you're comparing criminals to the police. You did that without even knowing. You're white, I dont expect you to care. It's not your job to. If I were fully white, I wouldn't give a either if black folks were being shot down like animals in the street by GOVERNMENT PAID OFFICIALS. I'd be saying, "what about black on black crime" too because it wouldn't affect me. I fully understand. It's not your fight

[DMC]

Black people kill blacks, whites kill whites, mexicans kill mexicans. You are more likely to commit violence and even date people in your proximity. Police are paid to protect and serve. CRIMINALS AREN'T PAID TO PROTECT AND SERVE. When a cop shoots an unarmed black person for nothing and people like you say, "well black people kill black people", you're basically saying since criminal kill people, then cops should help them out. When US soldiers are killed in war, do you say, "well, Aermikans kill Amerikans". No, you don't do that. Once again, Criminals aren't paid to protect and serve. But one thing you are doing correct is that you're comparing criminals to the police. You did that without even knowing. You're white, I dont expect you to care. It's not your job to. If I were fully white, I wouldn't give a either if black folks were being shot down like animals in the street by GOVERNMENT PAID OFFICIALS. I'd be saying, "what about black on black crime" too because it wouldn't affect me. I fully understand. It's not your fight

Blacks are being shot down like animals by other blacks. Open any newspaper. Saying blacks are criminal in one sentence (so forgive them for killing each other) then saying they are innocent in the next (unjustly shot) is another conflicting message.

Why aren't Chinese people killing each other at the same clip as blacks?

Are blacks more likely be to react aggressively toward authority?

Are they more likely to act aggressively toward other blacks?

[DMC]

Exactly. Facebook is filled with racist white people talking about "stop disrespecting veterans" but right now the US government is disrespecting veterans by having a lot of them pay back their bonuses from the early 2000s. Where are these people now? Veterans are the most ted on group in Amerikkka next to black people. Sometimes you have to wait for years to get disability packages that's owed to you. All of these fat ass redneck lazy idiots sit at home and do nothing but are quick to complain when black people speak out against things that's actually done wrong against them. yes I'm a veteran, I can say what I want. I joined the military 20 years ago but after 6 years saw it wasn't the life I wanted to live anymore.

So blacks are a geneous group now? Why is this geneous group killing itself at the highest rate of any race in the US?


You say "killing blacks" in one sentence then push the notion that each crime is an individual decision. If blacks are a collective, they need to self police, stop calling the cops. If they aren't a collective, stop pretending they are.

[james evans]

Blacks are being shot down like animals by other blacks. Open any newspaper. Saying blacks are criminal in one sentence (so forgive them for killing each other) then saying they are innocent in the next (unjustly shot) is another conflicting message.

Why aren't Chinese people killing each other at the same clip as blacks?

Are blacks more likely be to react aggressively toward authority?

Are they more likely to act aggressively toward other blacks?

so the black race is the only race that commit crime and murder against each other . hmmm, I learn something new every day. As for your other post, it's a cop''s job to protect and serve. Every black neighborhood doesn't self police. I live in an area with black and white people, but in or section, street, it's only 2 white families. Great area, hardly any crime, but the cops don't come here. I only call police to fill out reports. I carry guns. Lots of them because it's my right. But everyone doesn't carry guns so some people need police. Everyone in my area has guns. If you put people in a box in a poor area, they gonna fight. I know of white trailer parks in my city that have as much crime as Chicago . It's not highly promoted on the local news. MOST of the crime committed at ECU(and I'm talking roughly 90%) is done by white people. Why is that? Because it's a predominantly white school. Like I told you before, I don't care if you don't care. It's not your job to care, you're not black. I'm not upset that white people aren't concerned because they shouldn't be. It doesn't affect them. But I'm black and it affects me, so don't tell me what I should be concerned about. Because If I were fully white , I wouldn't give a about black folks getting murdered by PAID GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. But we do agree that the police are criminals. This is why I like Donald Trump because more and more white people are expressing their true feelings. I respect it. I don't have a problem with racists saying who they are. I got a problem with closet racists like Hilary Clinton and white people that bring up "black on black crime" as to why cops shooting unarmed blacks is a good thing.

[DMC]

so the black race is the only race that commit crime and murder against each other . hmmm, I learn something new every day. As for your other post, it's a cop''s job to protect and serve. Every black neighborhood doesn't self police. I live in an area with black and white people, but in or section, street, it's only 2 white families. Great area, hardly any crime, but the cops don't come here. I only call police to fill out reports. I carry guns. Lots of them because it's my right. But everyone doesn't carry guns so some people need police. Everyone in my area has guns. If you put people in a box in a poor area, they gonna fight. I know of white trailer parks in my city that have as much crime as Chicago . It's not highly promoted on the local news. MOST of the crime committed at ECU(and I'm talking roughly 90%) is done by white people. Why is that? Because it's a predominantly white school. Like I told you before, I don't care if you don't care. It's not your job to care, you're not black. I'm not upset that white people aren't concerned because they shouldn't be. It doesn't affect them. But I'm black and it affects me, so don't tell me what I should be concerned about. Because If I were fully white , I wouldn't give a about black folks getting murdered by PAID GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. But we do agree that the police are criminals. This is why I like Donald Trump because more and more white people are expressing their true feelings. I respect it. I don't have a problem with racists saying who they are. I got a problem with closet racists like Hilary Clinton and white people that bring up "black on black crime" as to why cops shooting unarmed blacks is a good thing.

No, they just do it at the highest rate. Much much higher in fact than other races.

One major issue is that many blacks think it's not a white problem. If it's truly a problem then it's everyone's problem.

It's not ok because of black on black crime. However it's hypocritical for blacks to claim black lives matter when stats show they matter least to other blacks. The message should be that of racial bias, or racial difference in how a routine traffic stop should be conducted with a black man vs a white man, or something other than the notion that black lives matter to the people who are the most careless with them.

BLM is a legit statement, but the sign needs to be directed at blacks.

Does it matter to you more that your loved one was killed by a cop than by a thug or a random drive by? We should prosecute all crimes, regardless who commits them, but like any crime there needs to be due process instead of this narrative and kangaroo court that's almost always on the wrong side of the actual verdict that gets posted on the back page and ignored by the agenda driven idiots.

[james evans]

One major issue is that many blacks think it's not a white problem. If it's truly a problem then it's everyone's problem.

It's not ok because of black on black crime. However it's hypocritical for blacks to claim black lives matter when stats show they matter least to other blacks. The message should be that of racial bias, or racial difference in how a routine traffic stop should be conducted with a black man vs a white man, or something other than the notion that black lives matter to the people who are the most careless with them.

Ok first of all, saying "black lives matter" doesn't mean "ONLY BLACK LIVES MATTER". It means "black lives matter". 2nd, I don't care about the BLM organization. It's a white funded organization used to pacify black people like the NAACP(which initially used WEB Dubois as the face of the organization, but it was white owned and operated).

[DMC]

Ok first of all, saying "black lives matter" doesn't mean "ONLY BLACK LIVES MATTER". It means "black lives matter". 2nd, I don't care about the BLM organization. It's a white funded organization used to pacify black people like the NAACP(which initially used WEB Dubois as the face of the organization, but it was white owned and operated).

That line of reasoning only seems to work for non-whites. If a white person had a sign "White Lives Matter" they'd be branded a white supremacist. The word "black" could be removed if it's not exclusive. It could say "Lives Matter". It intentionally mentions blacks because that's where blacks focus. It's self preservation. Blacks are the least community friendly race since they are allowed by media and political correctness to openly show racial pride and solidarity. Black people talk about black issues. That keeps black America segregated, but the community, as "tight" as it is, isn't doing a great job taking care of its own. Just look at the leaders and how they've profited from the black community while making it "ok" for blacks to be held to a lower standard. It keeps most blacks out of power, it keeps certain blacks in power. They talk about the black vote. How depressing that must be for a black person to think their vote is part of a collective. That everything they do is judged by other blacks one way and by the rest of America in another way. Blacks make it very hard for other blacks to ever climb out of the Borg cube.

But the truth is that there are plenty blacks who don't do any of the above things. Media only presents those who fit a narrative, and that's why the protest is so disgusting. It's a media driven fad. A real protest would be if she self immolated mid court.

[james evans]

That line of reasoning only seems to work for non-whites. If a white person had a sign "White Lives Matter" they'd be branded a white supremacist. The word "black" could be removed if it's not exclusive. It could say "Lives Matter". It intentionally mentions blacks because that's where blacks focus. It's self preservation. Blacks are the least community friendly race since they are allowed by media and political correctness to openly show racial pride and solidarity. Black people talk about black issues. That keeps black America segregated, but the community, as "tight" as it is, isn't doing a great job taking care of its own. Just look at the leaders and how they've profited from the black community while making it "ok" for blacks to be held to a lower standard. It keeps most blacks out of power, it keeps certain blacks in power. They talk about the black vote. How depressing that must be for a black person to think their vote is part of a collective. That everything they do is judged by other blacks one way and by the rest of America in another way. Blacks make it very hard for other blacks to ever climb out of the Borg cube.

But the truth is that there are plenty blacks who don't do any of the above things. Media only presents those who fit a narrative, and that's why the protest is so disgusting. It's a media driven fad. A real protest would be if she self immolated mid court.

NO WE AREN'T. We are allowed, but it comes with consequences. I love Tim Durncan to death, but he's been allowed to be himself because he's never stepped on anyone's toes. I'm not saying he's wrong for avoiding it because everyone isn't built that way. Everyone isn't an Ali, Jim Brown, Kareem, Russell and I don't criticize those that aren't, but once you start speaking out against racism, you've got a target on your back. People forget that Ali was the most hated man in Amerikka, now in 2016 after his death, everyone claimed they loved him. Nobody likes muslims, but the same white people that hates muslims and blacks loved Ali . It's mind boggling to me. It's like they claimed him as one of their own in his later years with Parkinsons.

What do you know about the black community? It's obvious you don't live in one. I live in one, and it' crime free. There are no "black leaders" There is no such thing in 2016. There are pimps and hustlers. Crooked preachers like Creflo Dollar and TD Jakes. Hustlers like Henry Gates(who I found out all I needed to know when I saw him speak live). There are no black leaders. Black people don't need leaders. I am one that's against integrating with people that don't want to be integrated with. If white people don't want to be around me, then it's their right and we shouldn't force them to. I know that I don't go in neighborhoods that I don't belong and I also do give my money places that aren't fond of those that look like me. We agree on some things and we disagree about others. But I'm gonna be me and I'm gonna tell the truth. You probably have as many black associates as I have white associates.

[DMC]

NO WE AREN'T. We are allowed, but it comes with consequences. I love Tim Durncan to death, but he's been allowed to be himself because he's never stepped on anyone's toes. I'm not saying he's wrong for avoiding it because everyone isn't built that way. Everyone isn't an Ali, Jim Brown, Kareem, Russell and I don't criticize those that aren't, but once you start speaking out against racism, you've got a target on your back. People forget that Ali was the most hated man in Amerikka, now in 2016 after his death, everyone claimed they loved him. Nobody likes muslims, but the same white people that hates muslims and blacks loved Ali . It's mind boggling to me. It's like they claimed him as one of their own in his later years with Parkinsons.

What do you know about the black community? It's obvious you don't live in one. I live in one, and it' crime free. There are no "black leaders" There is no such thing in 2016. There are pimps and hustlers. Crooked preachers like Creflo Dollar and TD Jakes. Hustlers like Henry Gates(who I found out all I needed to know when I saw him speak live). There are no black leaders. Black people don't need leaders. I am one that's against integrating with people that don't want to be integrated with. If white people don't want to be around me, then it's their right and we shouldn't force them to. I know that I don't go in neighborhoods that I don't belong and I also do give my money places that aren't fond of those that look like me. We agree on some things and we disagree about others. But I'm gonna be me and I'm gonna tell the truth. You probably have as many black associates as I have white associates.

Speaking of Jim Brown:

http://louderwithcrowder.com/nfl-leg...cklivesmatter/

Do you disagree with Jim Brown? Isn't Jim saying what I was saying? Does it ring more true because a black man said it?

What makes your neighborhood black? What's the average home value in your neighborhood?

I have black neighbors on both sides of me and across the street. They've been there for a long time. We are all cordial and we gather during holidays for normal neighbor stuff. We don't think of it as our black neighbors and until you mentioned a black neighborhood, I'd not considered how many blacks live on my street. It's a higher percentage than any other race. We are a very low crime area because everyone is a professional or retired. There are no low income housing complexes around. There are no apartment buildings around. Everyone is on a 1st name basis all down the street and I've known these people since they were kids who are now having kids of their own. My neighbor has some grand kids and he spoils them like you wouldn't believe. His wife is a clean freak, her house is immaculate. He's a retired USMC drill sgt. Neighbor on other side is an architect. However I grew up not only around but with very poor black people. I worked in cotton fields with them side by side as a kid. I spent all day and many nights with them (it's where I learned to dance). To this day some of my best and oldest friends are black friends from my childhood.

The unit I was in when I wasn't a civilian was comprised of 12 guys, 8 of them black. We spent a lot of time together, but there's no token credit once you're just a white man again.

Still, small town black isn't the same as inner city black. There's still some solidarity and you have to be careful who you're around when you decide to be one of the gang, but in the cities there are so many and the conditions are so much worse, some would rival Somalia, that you cannot really compare the two.

Still, poor white trash is no better or worse than poor black trash.

[james evans]

Easier said than done in "cleaning up a black area". And I say this again, "if you put poor people in a box, they will fight". I made a post on another site about an area in my city that was full of crime. 5th street near the funeral home. Now, there is no crime whatsoever in that area. Why? well, the city started a 45 block revitilzation program in which they bought all of the property and priced it real high. The first thing they did after buying property is put a police station in the center of the area where most of the crime took place. I'm talking about an area where it was nothing to see someone get beat down or robbed in plain site at night or the day. Now you won't even find a person littering. It's easy to say, "clean up your neighborhood", but when you put poor people in a box with no resources, they're gonna fight. And I don't care what color they are. White, black, latina, whatever. Lawrence, Mass is full of Domincans. Some areas have Spanish as the 1st language. Even the police are Dominicans. It's hood. Can't blame that on black folks. Crime ridden white areas aren't publicized as much, but we know they exist. We know the meth trade is a white thing and we know of the crime areas in which these things occur. But you won't see it on the national news. They white media paint this picture that there are no bad white areas and blacks are the most vile, violent creatures on the face of the Earth. And as a great man said, if you're not careful, the media will have you hating your own kind.

To this day some of my best and oldest friends are black friends from my childhood.

you shouldn't have to say this if it's true. I straight up tell people, "I have no white friends.". Because I don't. Not because I hate white people. I hate no one. I just don't know any well enough to hang around them. I have white classmates that I'm in study groups with, but they aren't my "friends". I have a white family, but they are my family, not my friends. I have no white friends.

[DAF86]

I didn't miss that point. I responded to it. She did it during the anthem to keep giving the issue visibility.

Once Kapernick did it, was asked about it by reporters, and explained why he was doing it, that started it. Now anytime anyone kneels during the anthem, people know why. Her kneeling during the anthem, you know what it's about. Agree with it, like it, think it's stupid. You know why she's kneeling. You know it's about racial injustices and police killings of black men and black lives matter. You know it's about that. Someone kneels in church when asked to stand, no one knows why the they're doing it.

Come on man. Talk about trying to turn things into mental gymnastics.

What I don't get is why accept singing the anthem if you are going to kneel. Kaep and all the other folks that kneel don't sing it, right?

Singing the anthem while kneeling is like saying you are on a hunger strike while eating a meatball sandwich. I don't get it.

[Trill Clinton]

Exactly. Facebook is filled with racist white people talking about "stop disrespecting veterans" but right now the US government is disrespecting veterans by having a lot of them pay back their bonuses from the early 2000s. Where are these people now? Veterans are the most ted on group in Amerikkka next to black people. Sometimes you have to wait for years to get disability packages that's owed to you. All of these fat ass redneck lazy idiots sit at home and do nothing but are quick to complain when black people speak out against things that's actually done wrong against them. yes I'm a veteran, I can say what I want. I joined the military 20 years ago but after 6 years saw it wasn't the life I wanted to live anymore.

Thank you for your service

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What I don't get is why accept singing the anthem if you are going to kneel. Kaep and all the other folks that kneel don't sing it, right?

Singing the anthem while kneeling is like saying you are on a hunger strike while eating a meatball sandwich. I don't get it.

You got it. Right between the eyes.

[DMC]

What I don't get is why accept singing the anthem if you are going to kneel. Kaep and all the other folks that kneel don't sing it, right?

Singing the anthem while kneeling is like saying you are on a hunger strike while eating a meatball sandwich. I don't get it.

The argument is that they aren't protesting the meatball sandwich.

[140]

The argument is that they aren't protesting the meatball sandwich.

Well they should be. Meatball sandwiches are disgusting tbh

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[Clipper Nation]

What I don't get is why accept singing the anthem if you are going to kneel. Kaep and all the other folks that kneel don't sing it, right?

Singing the anthem while kneeling is like saying you are on a hunger strike while eating a meatball sandwich. I don't get it.

The whole premise of this "movement" is for people to draw attention to themselves. They start from that desired outcome and then work backwards, finding any excuse to rationalize it - even if those excuses contradict what their fellow attention s have been saying and doing. Don't bother trying to figure out how this protest is compatible with Kraepernick's. There's no logic behind it, only mental gymnastics.

If any of these people actually cared about policing in this country, they'd know that the rate of police shootings of African-Americans has been plummeting for decades now. The publicly stated goal of this "movement" is already being met and has been for a long time. Which means it's really just about getting attention, and they're using Media's cherrypicked narratives about police and race as a cover story.

As a side benefit, when the day comes that the rate of police shootings of African-Americans dwindles down to the low single digits, these protesters and the liberals who enable them can take all the credit for it, pat themselves on the back, and use it against their political opponents - even though the trend started long before their protests. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. It's like how gun homicides were already on the decline in Australia before they banned guns, or how workplace fatalities had already been plummeting for decades in America before the government passed OSHA. Wait for a positive trend to emerge, make a big show of Doing Something midway through that trend, and then take all the credit for something that was already happening without your input.

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The whole premise of this "movement" is for people to draw attention to themselves. They start from that desired outcome and then work backwards, finding any excuse to rationalize it - even if those excuses contradict what their fellow attention s have been saying and doing. Don't bother trying to figure out how this protest is compatible with Kraepernick's. There's no logic behind it, only mental gymnastics.

If any of these people actually cared about policing in this country, they'd know that the rate of police shootings of African-Americans has been plummeting for decades now. The publicly stated goal of this "movement" is already being met and has been for a long time. Which means it's really just about getting attention, and they're using Media's cherrypicked narratives about police and race as a cover story.

It's all right there, I only bolded to get it started.

CN