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Both Iggy and Thompson are expendable, this is basically Durant and Curry's team now. If I was the Warriors GM I would look to trade one of them, probably Iggy.
They have gotten weaker, losing Bogut hurts them because he gave teams problems in the system they run. To get Durant they lost depth, but they were crazy good last season depsite not winning it all. It's really hard to top a season like that and be better. No team should pass on getting a player like Durant, but really there is only 1 basketball and just like any other team they will have to play as a team to win it all. This team was rolling last season because all of Curry and Thompson's sniper 3's, but alot of that had to do with Green and Bogut. Durant is soft in the paint, always has been but he will come up with the occasional block.
This Spurs team though tonight played great defense and scored when they had to in this game 1 of the season, this is a bad matchup for the Warriors.
Both Iggy and Thompson are expendable, this is basically Durant and Curry's team now. If I was the Warriors GM I would look to trade one of them, probably Iggy.
Super early, but my thoughts are this.
Anything or anyone that takes shots and time away from Curry and his ability of creativity is gonna be a loss unless it's Lebron James. What makes or made the Warriors so explosive last year was the three ball and I mean the ball movement, the screens, and player movement without the ball getting those catch and shoot threes. Not to mention Stephs brilliance with the ball. KD as good as he is takes away from that. Durant offense is a downgrade from Curry offense imo. I want to see Durant post up. It's not a three. Durant will demand his ISO on mismatches and so does Thompson for that matter but Steph and Klay had a balance. KD is a big wrench the tool box right now. It's not news to anyone but they'll need time to adjust. They'll figure it out but at what cost. We have to hope that Durant doesn't realize he'll need to be completely selfless and let the ball flow. He has to be able to live with scoring in the low twenties and letting Steph and Klay and Draymond have there shots with Steph having the majority. Everyone should get less shots except Steph.
Also the lack of bench is an issue.
Let's face it you should never say NO to a Top 5 player in the league..but I think the whole summer media have understated the fact they have blown up the bench and the established chemistry of a 73-win juggernaut coming off a le and 67-wins the previous season..this wasn't your run-of-the-mill 55-win team..
Good points. It will be worth observing, the freezing effect that KD has on others. I have to credit the Spurs defense. I know other teams won't be as disciplined. They got fried a few times, but you can't stop everything or everyone in the NBA. It wasn't repe ive times and KD hitting midrange shots over others is not as bad as Curry offense you are right. I didn't watch GSW during the preseason, but it wasn't what we saw last season, every time Spurs faced GSW, the bewilderment, and you are right it was Steph, the screening, the off ball movement, the good chemistry they had. Bc their defense and rebounding has taken a tumble they also don't generate as many TO which cuts their transition scoring opportunities.
They will rebound from this, but they are currently a worse team than last season and might be pretenders. You can't win a championship if you can't stop the elites. Cavs will will them too. Maybe I am too reactionary, but I tend to agree. It is early but they will need to make adjustments.. big time on defense. D'worst will sink them. 10 minutes this game and every minute he was there you knew. Yuck.
Yes, Durant is an enormous upgrade over Barnes + Bogut. Especially with Bogut being a china doll.
55 to 35. That was the rebounding edge. It wasn't just Bogut. They lost EVERY center on their roster from last year. Ezeli and Speights were huge for them.
Hmmm I bet there have to be meltdowns in GSW forum lol
Yeah there defense is lacking. What's the point in having perimeter defenders like Klay if you have no one to lead them to. And Durant is not a bad defender. When he's locked in, he's very good. It's just Bogut and Ezeli were great rim protectors. They are vulnerable inside and they have no answers. Offensively, it's safe to assume they'll figure it out, but defensively, they might have no answers. I mean, they can upgrade the bench with minor moves and seeing who gets waived later in the season but inside they are weak and that's are biggest strength suppose we stay healthy.
Yup. This.
long term, yes.
This game does not make him not worthy.
For now, he's still worth it for them. They won't need the best defense/rebounding to get lots of wins by chucking senseless and playing chaotic.
It was clear that the Spurs front court length gave them troubles. Even though Pau wasn't great- he still bothered them.
Big teams are going to give them troubles to some degree. Although most will not be as disciplined defensively as the Spurs.
I suspect they'll figure out a way to adjust. It's early and just one game.
No. But it's as I said many many times in the off-season: The Warriors getting KD makes them harder for the Spurs to beat, but it also makes the path to beating them more obvious. The Spurs pretty much put everything into exploiting GS' one weakness, and it paid off. Zaza is a good player and will have better rebounding games. But Gasol was definitely a good get if it means the Warriors are going to have to field a shorter team for every possession.
More importantly from our perspective: If this game is an indication the Spurs are back to the pre-2015 days of bullying the Warriors inside even at Oracle.
The shipping of Bogut/Ezeli/Barnes and decline of Iggy could really change the dynamic of this match-up for us on that end..Last season we couldn't score for ..
Dubs will still win 65+ games, which they did before. But get beat in a 7 game series by atletic bigs like Clippers. So no they were better last year.
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Warriors D was always good and it fueled their epic offense. Now they can't control the boards, therefore the pace, and therefore the game. If Livingston and Iggy are done, the literally have no bench.
The Warriors didn't even really need to get KD, should have kept what they had and maybe added a few pieces. Curry wasn't even healthy that playoffs imo and they barely lost it. They gutted alot of the team, and now they are going to have pay Curry. Curry's low contracts made all of this possible, hes only making $12mil this year, cap will increase next year but not as much as this year. So he will eat up another $17mil next season on his salary alone.
I don't think he's done per se. Just that he had a though matchup vs an MVP candidate in Kawhi.
No one is gonna trade for Iggy. Only hope GS has to improve their front line is trading Klay, and if he continues on last night's trajectory then teams will be ryinking hard about it first. But like someone else said, the front office there has been such a bag of smug dbags to he rest of the league I can see every other front office turning their backs and letting them fail spectacularly.
I've been saying all summer that the addition of Durant meant that Klay Thompson would someday get traded. But I agree, he's so inconsistent it's hard to tell what he's actually worth.
Revert both teams back to last year's 3pt% and the Spurs lose 9 points, and the Warriors gain 20 points. That's makes up for the full 29 point difference. Durant, Steph and Klay were 5 for 19, so would have to go back and look at how closeouts were and how many were open misses.
But turnovers? GS turned the ball over 10% more than the Spurs last year adjusting for pace. Turnover differential and fast break points in the game were both close.
GS is going to have to outshoot teams by hitting more threes and scoring in transition, because their rebounding and post defense is seriously deficient. Imagine Adams and Kanter feasting out there, or Jordan and Griffin, or the Utah bigs.
Lets assume what happend yesterday is a real problem...GSW cant rebound and they have big issues in the next games.
What do they really have to offer to other teams to get another big presence in the paint?
I dont see what player they have that could be traded...
Lets see what happens, if this is a problem (and not against most temas, agasint the best teams) they will start looking for big men in the development league.
Agreed. It didn't make sense to make so many changes.
But having Durant available, almost anybody would take it.
However, if it doesn't work out it might come up that they were a championship team before changing the roster for Durant.
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