Dedmon and Lee

[TheDoctor]

The way dedmon moves on the court reminds me of David Robinson... just saying... don't take it as a full comparison...

Yeah, the way they step-in to the court coming off the bench is pretty similar

[SAGirl]

This is silly about ppl making conclusions based on one game... just like it was silly of me to exaggerate. But they had look abysmal in preseason together, specially Dedmon who had been the most concerning player in all preseason bc he had looked nothing like this and we had high expectations for him. There were games in preseason he came out with a ton of TO, PF and 0 rebounds, so let's not pretend that statements made at the time were not the result of observations that reflected the then current situation. There was a game with precisely this bench lineup that Simmons consistently tried to get into the paint and ended up forcing things and ended up with 5 TO, as passing lanes were closed, or easy to read, and he passed to ppl who were not open thus TO.

I thought the spacing was not ideal for a player like him who likes to drive. Manu himself was quite inefficient in preseason and I saw him too try to drive to be met by Dedmon and Lee's men at the rim and have no space for a clean pass either bc they were all crammed in the paint forcing tough floaters. I saw the same from Dijon, etc. My observations were a reflection of the then current sitaution.

Simmons and the crew have likely looked at film and adjusted what they are doing. But perhaps the most significant change is Dedmon himself playing a lot better than he did his first preseason games. And I don't root for guys to play bad just to prove my points right. I think that is where I differ from a lot of guys here. I don't care if I am wrong bc guys are playing well that I thought wouldn't fit together.

I am 27 currently, I don't think Chinook is aged enough to be my papa. lol I think guys get the sense sometimes he's older than he really is, I am guessing. I respect his opinion same as others here. Ther are a lot of quality posters I like. Even some guys who tend to be arrogant pricks sometimes show some insightful posts, they are just arrogant pricks and I treat them or ignore them accordingly.

I don't pick fights with guys at all, guys pick on me in here. Chinook doesn't. He's actually quite respectful to most ppl, and he has his own opinions, same as many other quality posters who contribute here and who I respect and like to read to but I am not their daughter.

[DrSteffo]

I don't know if SaGirl is Chinook's troll or if they just happen to have equally bad takes and always agree on their bad takes. It does not really matter since there are still some decent posters here.

[Chinook]

I don't know if SaGirl is Chinook's troll or if they just happen to have equally bad takes and always agree on their bad takes. It does not really matter since there are still some decent posters here.

You up for doing a game grades thread, Doc?

[Chinook]

I am 27 currently, I don't think Chinook is aged enough to be my papa. lol I think guys get the sense sometimes he's older than he really is, I am guessing.

Heh, you're actually older than me by a few months, SAG. I don't turn 27 until next year. Unless some timeloop stuff happens, I think we're safely not father and daughter. I think some people use ST to live out fantasies of the folks they wish they were rather than just being chill and saying what they think. They're too caught up the being part of krews or having cred. It's idiotic.

[DrSteffo]

Thanks for the offer, let me see when I can get the time.

[SAGirl]

Heh, you're actually older than me by a few months, SAG. I don't turn 27 until next year. Unless some timeloop stuff happens, I think we're safely not father and daughter. I think some people use ST to live out fantasies of the folks they wish they were rather than just being chill and saying what they think. They're too caught up the being part of krews or having cred. It's idiotic.

Agreed. I have noticed quite a few guys who made some terrible predictions and statements in weeks past as well, but since they were based on observations at the time, and not everyone shares my opinions I'd rather respect guys' takes and move on. What I find annoying is guys actually wanting players in the team to do poorly so they can be proved right. That is the really, really idiotic aspiration, (or .... should I say machismo?). Some times I don't know if that kind of behavior is being immature or just a part of male culture TBH.

[Chinook]

Agreed. I have noticed quite a few guys who made some terrible predictions and statements in weeks past as well, but since they were based on observations at the time, and not everyone shares my opinions I'd rather respect guys' takes and move on. What I find annoying is guys actually wanting players in the team to do poorly so they can be proved right. That is the really, really idiotic aspiration, (or .... should I say machismo?). Some times I don't know if that kind of behavior is being immature or just a part of male culture TBH.

Well, I'm gonna have to get off the bus before we pull into Sexism City, but there are some weird folks on this site. I come to ST because I'm often bored at work or when I wake up too early in the morning. And it's also cool to chat about one of my favorite pastimes with other people who follow it. And through that I'm interacted with some really cool-seeming people. Why it can't just be that for everyone is beyond me.

[Chinook]

Thanks for the offer, let me see when I can get the time.

All right. We're full up through the end of November anyway. But I'll try to make the December thread in a couple of weeks. The most diverse the poster pool, the better.

[SAGirl]

Well, I'm gonna have to get off the bus before we pull into Sexism City, but there are some weird folks on this site. I come to ST because I'm often bored at work or when I wake up too early in the morning. And it's also cool to chat about one of my favorite pastimes with other people who follow it. And through that I'm interacted with some really cool-seeming people. Why it can't just be that for everyone is beyond me.

I hate to bring it up... but really being a woman.. I really don't know if the obsession with wanting to be right is really a male thing or just childish behavior. I tend to think is a male thing. If this was an all female forum... oh how different it would be. I'll just leave it there.

[Chinook]

I hate to bring it up... but really being a woman.. I really don't know if the obsession with wanting to be right is really a male thing or just childish behavior. I tend to think is a male thing. If this was an all female forum... oh how different it would be. I'll just leave it there.

That's probably for the best, because I'd vote with my caucus on that one if it came down to it.

[DrSteffo]

Yup, because both of you are always wrong.

[Chinook]

Yup, because both of you are always wrong.

That's impossible, because we're clearly disagreeing in these last couple of posts. Can't both be wrong, can we?

[benefactor]

You people get in the strangest ing arguments.

[GSH]

I hate to bring it up... but really being a woman.. I really don't know if the obsession with wanting to be right is really a male thing or just childish behavior. I tend to think is a male thing. If this was an all female forum... oh how different it would be. I'll just leave it there.

I don't care what gender you are, what color, nationality, or anything else. I read some of your early comments and decided you know about basketball - probably more about X's an O's than I do. And I told you so.

Your biggest problem here is that you have a favorite player, and you lose objectivity when you try to analyze or talk about him. That's not even the problem, really, because most of us are guilty at times. The problem is that you still think you are being objective, and you write off a lot of criticism as, "That guy is an asshole."

1. Even assholes can have good takes
2. Put a group of people together. ANY group of people. And somebody is going to get picked on.
3. Saying "I get picked on AND I'm a woman" is not the same as "I get picked on BECAUSE I'm a woman".

You go looking for a reason for why you get picked on. You're missing the point. You get picked on because you're here. This is a rough place, and always has been. The fact that you catch from people here just means that they treat you just like anyone else.

[benefactor]

I hate to bring it up... but really being a woman.. I really don't know if the obsession with wanting to be right is really a male thing or just childish behavior. I tend to think is a male thing. If this was an all female forum... oh how different it would be. I'll just leave it there.

Go find you an all female forum or start one then. Seriously...you've been here over a year...and you still haven't figured out this is the asshole of the internet? As GSH said, it has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with the fabric of this place.

Hang with enough assholes for long enough and you'll get on.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't care what gender you are, what color, nationality, or anything else. I read some of your early comments and decided you know about basketball - probably more about X's an O's than I do. And I told you so.

Your biggest problem here is that you have a favorite player, and you lose objectivity when you try to analyze or talk about him. That's not even the problem, really, because most of us are guilty at times. The problem is that you still think you are being objective, and you write off a lot of criticism as, "That guy is an asshole."

1. Even assholes can have good takes
2. Put a group of people together. ANY group of people. And somebody is going to get picked on.
3. Saying "I get picked on AND I'm a woman" is not the same as "I get picked on BECAUSE I'm a woman".

You go looking for a reason for why you get picked on. You're missing the point. You get picked on because you're here. This is a rough place, and always has been. The fact that you catch from people here just means that they treat you just like anyone else.

Nice post, GSH!

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[MaNu4Tres]

Go find you an all female forum or start one then. Seriously...you've been here over a year...and you still haven't figured out this is the asshole of the internet? As GSH said, it has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with the fabric of this place.

Hang with enough assholes for long enough and you'll get on.

Lol. Some people are so sensitive here.

Its not even personal, its about basketball.

My goodness.

[SAGirl]

I don't care what gender you are, what color, nationality, or anything else. I read some of your early comments and decided you know about basketball - probably more about X's an O's than I do. And I told you so.

Your biggest problem here is that you have a favorite player, and you lose objectivity when you try to analyze or talk about him. That's not even the problem, really, because most of us are guilty at times. The problem is that you still think you are being objective, and you write off a lot of criticism as, "That guy is an asshole."

1. Even assholes can have good takes
2. Put a group of people together. ANY group of people. And somebody is going to get picked on.
3. Saying "I get picked on AND I'm a woman" is not the same as "I get picked on BECAUSE I'm a woman".

You go looking for a reason for why you get picked on. You're missing the point. You get picked on because you're here. This is a rough place, and always has been. The fact that you catch from people here just means that they treat you just like anyone else.

That is part of why I get picked on in a delectable fashion by some and I don't care about that bc everyone has their favorite. My thing is just that I like a guy that many hate... and very often I take some of those digs at my person in a humurous fashion TBH. I have learned to accept that if I am going to be that vocal I am going to get digs at me... that is fine. But I do comment a lot about other things like the Dedmon/Lee thing among others and I have started to keep Anderson out of subjects that are not Anderson related myself bc it's become tiring even for me, believe it or not. He gets too much negative attention from guys already and prop ups everywhere, like here, as this is not about Anderson.

It's my observation in general, that some guys just like to be right and have an at ude of wanting to be right on everything and will debate you endlessly when after a certain point, some things are due to observation and appreciation, and then players adapt and change and Pop implements changes etc. That doesn't make an initial observation right or wrong, and the lack of spacing may yet become an issue, and when it does I may come in and tell you I told you all so, but it's not my thing. The ish behavior is not just for me mind you, it's a general forum behaviour. I tend to think for some guys it's just they are childish and immature, but I do have a general impression that is male related thing: who has the biggest here? bc I don't care about that.

[DeRozan m8]

Knew this would work, love having an actual athletic big in the second line up.

Last year was a nightmare I couldn't wait to wake up from.

[palangi]

I don't know if SaGirl is Chinook's troll or if they just happen to have equally bad takes and always agree on their bad takes. It does not really matter since there are still some decent posters here.

SaGirl just parrots whatever chinook says.

[JR3]

Yeah, the way they step-in to the court coming off the bench is pretty similar

Lol I know right?!

[dbestpro]

Read the thread and like the Ben Wallace comparison for Dedmon with Dedmon being taller, and having better offense.

[szkorhetz]

It will be hard to find PT for Timmy after he comes back in February, TBH.

[Thunder1]

That is part of why I get picked on in a delectable fashion by some and I don't care about that bc everyone has their favorite. My thing is just that I like a guy that many hate... and very often I take some of those digs at my person in a humurous fashion TBH. I have learned to accept that if I am going to be that vocal I am going to get digs at me... that is fine. But I do comment a lot about other things like the Dedmon/Lee thing among others and I have started to keep Anderson out of subjects that are not Anderson related myself bc it's become tiring even for me, believe it or not. He gets too much negative attention from guys already and prop ups everywhere, like here, as this is not about Anderson.

It's my observation in general, that some guys just like to be right and have an at ude of wanting to be right on everything and will debate you endlessly when after a certain point, some things are due to observation and appreciation, and then players adapt and change and Pop implements changes etc. That doesn't make an initial observation right or wrong, and the lack of spacing may yet become an issue, and when it does I may come in and tell you I told you all so, but it's not my thing. The ish behavior is not just for me mind you, it's a general forum behaviour. I tend to think for some guys it's just they are childish and immature, but I do have a general impression that is male related thing: who has the biggest here? bc I don't care about that.

Just keep posting...