Tony Parker not playing tomorrow

[Mugen]

[RD2191]

Wouldn't shock me if this is another fake injury excuse to cover up his play. He sat out like a month with a sore ass when his decline became really noticeable a couple of years ago.. Not to mention all the times he leaves during the game when he isnt playing well (i.e. game 6 vs Thunder in '14).

Thats another thing he has in common with Kirby. Being so insecure that they have to blame their play on some minor, made up injury.

[apalisoc_9]

Spurs traded for Jefferson by moving THREE players: Bowen/Oberto/Kurt Thomas

Acquiring Jrue/McLemore/Chandler would only require moving THREE players: Softridge/Patty/Ft Head

If you're talking about mid-season, Diaw/Jackson/Patty were ALL acquired at the trade deadline in 2012 (March)

If Softridge gets moved by December, Jrue can be eased into the playbook since master Porker is on the roster & Chandler is a wily vet who anchored a championship defense in his first season w/ the Mavs. McLemore would probably not play much in the postseason unless he outplays Simmons.

Jrue better be a willing scorer though because if we're getting rid of Diva, we only have Kawhi as a legit option..Unless Pau starts playing more aggressive with diva out.

[Kawhitstorm]

Those are the exceptions not the rule - and none of the pieces the Spurs moved were of the stature of LMA. I would just be surprised, that's all. I expect the Spurs have some buyer's remorse, but to maintain the status quo.

Pau's best asset is by far his offense but he's being limited to 8 shots when he's playing w/ Softridge. PATFO knew this would be the case when they signed Pau so the move might have been done as a chess move if they were planning on moving Softridge all-along. Teams that will give up the most assets are desperate teams fighting for their playoffs lives which wouldn't be the case had they made the move in the off-season.

Dedmon's emergence & Porker's steep decline is only going to necessitate that such a move be made; Pau doesn't seem too excited about getting limited touches either.

[Kawhitstorm]

Jrue better be a willing scorer though because if we're getting rid of Diva, we only have Kawhi as a legit option..Unless Pau starts playing more aggressive with diva out.

Pau can shoot mid-range shots & 3s better than LMA, he also already has a nice chemistry w/ Kawhi. Posting up Pau when you have Chandler camping in the paint wouldn't be a great idea but he can postup if he's playing center in a small-ball line-up where Kawhi could be playing the 4 such as against the Cavs or Duds.

Jrue is really good w/ PnRs, Chandler would be getting lobs like DeAndre w/ Pau/Kawhi/Danny stretching the defense. Lee would also benefit w/ Jrue's presence.........if only Dedmon had hands:

Jrue also played w/ Iggy when they were both All-Star caliber players so he's used to playing off the ball alongside a point-forward.

[sasaint]

Pau's best asset is by far his offense but he's being limited to 8 shots when he's playing w/ Softridge. PATFO knew this would be the case when they signed Pau so the move might have been done as a chess move if they were planning on moving Softridge all-along. Teams that will give up the most assets are desperate teams fighting for their playoffs lives which wouldn't be the case had they made the move in the off-season.

Dedmon's emergence & Porker's steep decline is only going to necessitate that such a move be made; Pau doesn't seem too excited about getting limited touches either.

I appreciate your logic, but I reserve judgment about Deadman's "emergence." Pretty small sample size to put too much stock in Deadman yet - even though he 's my designated X-factor. I must admit, though, his agility and nose for rebounding impress me more and more.

The bottom line for me is this: PATFO are historically very conservative. So, in the new post-Duncan world how much will they be able/willing to change their stripes? I don't know, but I doubt very much. Sometimes people as well as organizations are simply too rigid to make moves even when they are in their best interests.

[Kawhitstorm]

The bottom line for me is this: PATFO are historically very conservative. So, in the new post-Duncan world how much will they be able/willing to change their stripes? I don't know, but I doubt very much. Sometimes people as well as organizations are simply too rigid to make moves even when they are in their best interests.

It's just a matter of moving Softridge who hasn't exactly established himself w/ the organization. Patty is going to be gone at the end of the season & Ft Head is a scrub. If there was a time to bring in a guy like Jrue then it's now while Evita/Enrique can help ease the process. Chandler should be fine as a defensive minded center if Dedmon can figure it out in two months.

[objective]

Another game missed with nebulous knee pain.

I can almost smell the microfracture.

[sasaint]

It's just a matter of moving Softridge who hasn't exactly established himself w/ the organization. Patty is going to be gone at the end of the season & Ft Head is a scrub. If there was a time to bring in a guy like Jrue then it's now while Evita/Enrique can help ease the process. Chandler should be fine as a defensive minded center if Dedmon can figure it out in two months.

I'm all in, my friend - but I'm not PATFO. But for the sake of our conversation, shall we consider another angle that a lot of folks here (if not PATFO) will be concerned about? It is really a 2-parter with regard to LMA. Would moving LMA this quickly undermine the Spurs' reputation for loyalty, and also would it undermine San Antonio as a potential destination for future "big-name" FAs? Plenty of folks here on ST think that signing LMA gave the Spurs a lot of cachet they never had before. Do you think so, and if so, would the Spurs take a real black-eye?

[coachmac87]

It's obviously not a good sign for his health..team has played 5 games and he's already missed 2. He needs to sit for a long period of time and get his knee right...none of this 2 games on one game off BS..really messes with chemistry and it's obvious Spurs have been better without him so far this season.

This better not be "rest" either..it's too early for that

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm all in, my friend - but I'm not PATFO. But for the sake of our conversation, shall we consider another angle that a lot of folks here (if not PATFO) will be concerned about? It is really a 2-parter with regard to LMA. Would moving LMA this quickly undermine the Spurs' reputation for loyalty, and also would it undermine San Antonio as a potential destination for future "big-name" FAs? Plenty of folks here on ST think that signing LMA gave the Spurs a lot of cachet they never had before. Do you think so, and if so, would the Spurs take a real black-eye?

The agents have the most influence on the players, if Softridge is asking for a trade & PATFO don't grant him his wish then his agent isn't going to do business w/ PATFO.

Softridge himself doesn't have much gravitas around the league & the Spurs haven't mistreated him, he's just being a diva who refuses to play center. The Bulls amnestied Boozer but that didn't stop Pau from signing up.

In any case, if the PATFO can land Jrue then they would have a core of Kawhi/Jrue/Danny to build upon. Considering the league going all-in on small-ball it won't be hard to find a guy like Brook Lopez to replace Pau so the only missing piece would be a 4 whom they could draft or they could possibly go after Blake in 2018 when Porker's contract comes off the books.

Under the scenario that I stated throughout this thread, Jrue would be re-signed essentially taking up Manu's slot in the cap space. In 2018, Brook Lopez/Blake would be slotted into the Pau/Porker/Chandler(salary dump or stretch) slot in the cap space. Danny could decline his player's option & become a free-agent in 2018 but they can use his cap hold to re-sign him.

Kawhi can opt-out & be re-signed to a "Super Max" in 2019 after the Spurs championship season ala LeBron:

So, 2018-19 aka Kawhi's PEAK season:

Lopez (Age: 30)
Blake (Age: 29)
Kawhi (Age: 27)
Danny (Age: 31)
Jrue (Age: 28)

Bench:
-Murray (6th Man)
-Bertans
-McLemore
-Pelican's lotto pick (PF/C)

[ElNono]

[SpursforSix]

IMO, If they don't make the Conference Finals especially by losing to the Clippers again (double whammy being no Chris Paul to SA); I think they will move him and expedite building around Kawhi.

Would you do an LMA for Cousins swap? I honestly would with all the baggage Boogie comes with..He is probably the only other attainable star on the same timeline with Kawhi (also they seem to be buddy buddy )..

I don't like Suns assets package, but i might just bite on Celtics' if it is something like Amir Johnson + Avery Bradley + Nets pick..

LMA for Cousins? In a heartbeat.

[sasaint]

The agents have the most influence on the players, if Softridge is asking for a trade & PATFO don't give him his wish then his agent isn't going to do business w/ PATFO.

Softridge himself doesn't have much gravitas around the league & the Spurs haven't mistreated him, he's just being a diva who refuses to play center. The Bulls amnestied Boozer but that didn't stop Pau from signing up.

That's kind of my belief. Do you place any credence in the rumors about LMA's wanting out? Or was that Ainge jockeying for trade leverage?

[sasaint]

LMA for Cousins? In a heartbeat.

You bet! Cousins is too much of a beast to pass on. Surrounded by the Spurs' organization (especially with Timmy still around) and with a good relationship with Kawhi, I would have to gamble that he could straighten up and fly right. Fantasy League stuff unfortunately.

[tholdren]

So the Spurs will be able to put a better team on the floor tomorrow? I'm good with that.

Speaking of Aldridge. I also think he'll be traded this year. I have my own reasons to believe so. A conversation I had today validated my opinion even more.

jump shooting centers/pfs scared to bang and can't rebound = new nba. he's great at what he does... blame the wimpy stuff on society. I bet LMA votes hillary

[SpursforSix]

You bet! Cousins is too much of a beast to pass on. Surrounded by the Spurs' organization (especially with Timmy still around) and with a good relationship with Kawhi, I would have to gamble that he could straighten up and fly right. Fantasy League stuff unfortunately.

It'll never happen but he'd be fine with the Spurs. And honestly, they need some of that nastiness. Time to move on from the Duncan era. As painful as that is.

[Keepin' it real]

Trying to figure out how a TP not playing tomorrow thread turned into a shared prognostication of LMA getting traded...

[sasaint]

It'll never happen but he'd be fine with the Spurs. And honestly, they need some of that nastiness. Time to move on from the Duncan era. As painful as that is.

"Give me some nasty!" -

[GSH]

So if the Spurs lose then people like gambit will be here eating crow, right?

No, because Tony's presence still brings everyone down. He has to be TRADED before his bad mojo leaves the team. Unless the Spurs win... and then it will be because he didn't play.

Don't you know anything about basketball?

[HarlemHeat37]

Man, a lot of you s need to accept that Parker isn't going anywhere, tbh..all this hoping and praying for a trade or Pop benching him is pointless, it's never going to happen..I accepted it a long time ago, acceptance makes it much easier to follow the team, tbh..

The best you can do is cherish the "resting" games..

[sasaint]

Trying to figure out how a TP not playing tomorrow thread turned into a shared prognostication of LMA getting traded...

I am happy to move the discussion to another thread. Didn't intend to hijack this one, but it seems pretty well petered out, tbh.

[YGWHI]

Interesting move. I doubt anyone would have even noticed.

Love this subtle

[Kawhitstorm]

That's kind of my belief. Do you place any credence in the rumors about LMA's wanting out? Or was that Ainge jockeying for trade leverage?

Softridge agents probably didn't like the Pau signing b/c he isn't going to do the dirty work & is going to take touches away for him unlike Timmay. He most likely see Pau as a compe ion rather than a complimentary piece.

[gospursgojas]

Trade Parker for Lebron, Anthony Davis, and Curry tbh, imho, fwiw.

Do it RC!