Is Patty Mills a decent return on investment?

[Down Under]

He's gone unfortunately. This is his one contract and with more teams paying attention to advanced stats and Patty having the best season of his career he's going to get offered a ridiculous amount (close to $15m/Year). As loyal as he is, it's gonna be impossible to turn down.

[myhc]

Just because I think everyone but Kawhi should be on the table doesn't mean I'm saying everyone needs to be traded. There's a difference in the two. If you can't comprehend that perhaps you should read more.

You sound like my dad who happens to be a lawyer who harps on the differences between synonyms to win an argument. In my ignorant feeble mind the differences between "need" and "should" and the differences between "I think" and "I'm saying" are minimal. The intent in the context of conversation is the same. Like if I heard a doctor tell my mom "I think you should get your ovaries removed.......but I'm not saying you need to get them removed" would be incredibly confusing and I would ask for a clarification. And then ask for a new doctor.

[DenialTwist]

It doesn't matter if he is a decent return or not because the Spurs can't keep him next season with Parker and Gasol's BIG contract on the books. They have to hope Gasol opts out because we are going to watch Mills leave for greener pastures. He deserves more playing time. Pop wants Parker to be a starter until he is 40. Maybe by then Murray will be ready to start lol

[benfti]

Mills isn't a player that will make or break the season, even if Parker is very inconsistent. He's an outlier.

YOU. ARE. ON. CRACK

[DrSteffo]

Mills is a fantastic second pg but a below average starting pg. I like him though and hope we keep him.

[cutewizard]

Can we release Forbes and get another good player somewhere?

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[cd021]

He's gone unfortunately. This is his one contract and with more teams paying attention to advanced stats and Patty having the best season of his career he's going to get offered a ridiculous amount (close to $15m/Year). As loyal as he is, it's gonna be impossible to turn down.

Pg is the deepest position in the league and many teams have already used up a bunch of cap space last off season only to find out that the cap is going significantly less than they initially thought. Spurs have his bird rights and can make a compe ive offer plus there is the incentive of no state tax which factors in. Philly makes some sense but I'd be surprised if he wasn't back next season.

[cd021]

It doesn't matter if he is a decent return or not because the Spurs can't keep him next season with Parker and Gasol's BIG contract on the books. They have to hope Gasol opts out because we are going to watch Mills leave for greener pastures. He deserves more playing time. Pop wants Parker to be a starter until he is 40. Maybe by then Murray will be ready to start lol

Parker and Gasol one for one more season
For one year, paying Parker, Gasol and Mills shouldn't be that big of a deal. Mills is arguably the second best player on the team, right now, even if he doesn't start he's been getting an increasingly larger share of minutes at PG season to season. Next season he could very well play more minutes per game than Parker while coming off the bench.

I don't think that it's crazy to think that Parker may move to the bench next season anyway, he'll be 35 and entering his 17th season (19th when adding playoff games). It would create another issue of bench shooting or lack thereof though; Parker, Simmons, Murray, Anderson, all aren't particularly great shooters from outside or are low volume shooters who don't scare defenses. Bertans is the only bench player (projected to be on next years team) that can actually shoot.

I'd doubt Pau opts out unless he wants to play another year afterward. the Spurs could offer him a two year deal then, while saving some cash this season but I think he'll play out the last year of his deal.

[SAGirl]

Parker and Gasol one for one more season
For one year, paying Parker, Gasol and Mills shouldn't be that big of a deal. Mills is arguably the second best player on the team, right now, even if he doesn't start he's been getting an increasingly larger share of minutes at PG season to season. Next season he could very well play more minutes per game than Parker while coming off the bench.

I don't think that it's crazy to think that Parker may move to the bench next season anyway, he'll be 35 and entering his 17th season (19th when adding playoff games). It would create another issue of bench shooting or lack thereof though; Parker, Simmons, Murray, Anderson, all aren't particularly great shooters from outside or are low volume shooters who don't scare defenses. Bertans is the only bench player (projected to be on next years team) that can actually shoot.

I'd doubt Pau opts out unless he wants to play another year afterward. the Spurs could offer him a two year deal then, while saving some cash this season but I think he'll play out the last year of his deal.

I would not assume Simmons is in the team next season... specially if he doesn't make improvements in his shooting. His issue is not reluctance to shoot. His issue is that he's resembling Tony Allen. He can't shoot, just can't. It really depends on postseason performance, but I would prefer Spurs keep Mills and I think they intend to prioritize Mills, but this is speculation of course.

[Down Under]

Pg is the deepest position in the league and many teams have already used up a bunch of cap space last off season only to find out that the cap is going significantly less than they initially thought. Spurs have his bird rights and can make a compe ive offer plus there is the incentive of no state tax which factors in. Philly makes some sense but I'd be surprised if he wasn't back next season.

Hope you're right. Just get the sense he will be chased even harder because of all the intangibles Spurs players are perceived to bring to other teams. I suppose another thing is, he changed from an iso hit and miss guy at St. Mary's and Portland into a key cog of one of the most dynamic bench's in NBA history with ridiculous ball & player movement and shooting.

[cd021]

I would not assume Simmons is in the team next season... specially if he doesn't make improvements in his shooting. His issue is not reluctance to shoot. His issue is that he's resembling Tony Allen. He can't shoot, just can't. It really depends on postseason performance, but I would prefer Spurs keep Mills and I think they intend to prioritize Mills, but this is speculation of course.

I don't love the Tony Allen comparison. Allen's an excellent defender who is an awful shooter. He can dribble a little bit and could get the rim because teams ignored him but I barely watch Memphis play and he still has missed the most makeable layups of any player I've ever watched.

Simmons on the other hand can finish at the rim, can create off the dribble for himself and others, pretty good defensively (though he'll often make a mistake and then try and make a spectacular play to redeem himself)
I said repeatedly that I wasn't convinced he was a 3pt threat and hoped he would increase his volume to force teams to do a hard close out ( which would make it easier for him to drive past them)
His 3pt rate was 19% last year but hit 38%3pt. He was very selective in shooting 3's and hit the ones he took at an above average clip (similar to Parker). This season I think after the GSW game he went into a slump and now he's stopped taking them almost all together.

I think he'll be back, his biggest issue right now is his 3pt shooting and its not like his shot is broken, I think/hope he is still working on that aspect of his game. Spurs also have no one in the wings ready to take the backup SG spot if Manu retires after this season so I think that will strongly factor in to it too.

[SAGirl]

He's missing pretty much all sorts of jumpshots including from the midrange. I think he's just not a good jump shooter. He still passes up a lot of shots from 3.

Anyways, the point is I think they prioritize Mills.

[Ice009]

Simmons doesn't want to shoot the ball. Really pisses me off because if I had his body and athleticism to go with my Jumpshot, I'd be a darn good player. He's scared to shoot and doesn't want to shoot. Can't have players passing up wide open shots. If he's doing that in the regular season, we're ed in the playoffs. He'll likely piss his pants and pass up every shot.

[OrEmuN]

I think there is a good chance that Mills will stay.
Maybe 8-10millon per year.

There is a chance someone will give a higher offer.
But if Mills look at Boban and think, he may want to stay.

He will see a future where he can start after Parker has retired