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Trade KL along with his 2 DPoY and that FMVP trophy for a decent two way player. Obviously he's not needed. .. ... ....
He's not very bright.
Trade KL along with his 2 DPoY and that FMVP trophy for a decent two way player. Obviously he's not needed. .. ... ....
Chinook..
I am not so hot on Pounding the Rock but they do occasionally have series with vines or .gifs of plays that are nice to see.
In this article Eli Horowitz basically makes a reference of how the Spurs still were able to score at a good rate despite the absence of Kawhi the past couple of games. He does note they were against two very weak defensive teams, but still... player movement and off ball movement are present and a reason for Spurs success (I would argue defensively is where others had to step up big time)
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2016/...-ball-movement
This play makes any offense that regularly features one guy dribbling for 20 seconds before pulling up for a contested jumper look like a fireable offense.
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Why was the Moore article terrible in your eyes? It was numbers, but with context. It would be silly to just look at some numbers and ignore context that comes with it, no?
The Spurs have been winning regular season games without their stars for years. It's obvious we need them tho come playoff time.
I know this thread is sarcastic, but yea....
First, because the thesis was biased (if you assume Leonard isn't the problem, then you can't objectively evaluate what the problem is -- of course you're going to conclude that it's everyone else if you do that). Second, it asserted that Chicago (and even worse, Orlando and Washington) used a certain strategy to win (or to come close in Washington's case). That was wrong because a) Chicago didn't use that strategy nearly as much as the article suggested and b) they scored really poorly using that strategy -- far worse than they would have normally. Third, he never actually addresses the real numbers. Instead he makes his points and then sort of leaves a footnote in the conclusion that he can't explain the numbers. It's so ridiculous.
And no offense, but please spare the "You're just hating on Kawhi" reply. There's been too much back-and-forth about that over the past couple of weeks at it is. The point isn't that Kawhi sucks or is overrated. It's that a) It makes no sense to blame the other players for Kawhi's numbers when they had better ones without him and b) for a lot of reasons, Kawhi hasn't been able to be as consistently effective on D as he was in the previous years. There were much better ways to address those numbers that were more fair to Kawhi, the Spurs as a whole and basic logic. Instead, Moore wrote for a headline and caused a firestorm off a article.
Maybe Chicago, Orlando, or Washington didn't do it on purpose. But when they did it, it made sense and Kawhi was away from the ball/action. And Moore did what you said, but it's fair. Numbers don't always tell the whole story. They never have... Some numbers are unexplainable, and deserve more in depth investigating. Otherwise we should believe there are 16 SF's better defensively than Kawhi, including Rudy Gay. Sorry, but I know that's not true.
I think his D has been very consistent. Maybe there's been a slight slippage due to the larger offensive load, but I don't think the numbers reflect his actual effort. He's still disrupting passing lanes, shutting his guy down, and 5th in deflections at nearly 4 a game, and easily the best wing defender we have. But if you honestly don't think having Pau in at the 5 vs Duncan, and with Green being out early on wouldn't have an impact on the overall defense, then it's probably pointless to discuss. There's no more funneling guys to Duncan in the middle. Duncan isn't in there with him communicating and directing guys. So he's taken on a greater responsibility and load on both ends. A slight slippage is expected, but he isn't a negative defender. That's where context matters.And no offense, but please spare the "You're just hating on Kawhi" reply. There's been too much back-and-forth about that over the past couple of weeks at it is. The point isn't that Kawhi sucks or is overrated. It's that a) It makes no sense to blame the other players for Kawhi's numbers when they had better ones without him and b) for a lot of reasons, Kawhi hasn't been able to be as consistently effective on D as he was in the previous years. There were much better ways to address those numbers that were more fair to Kawhi, the Spurs as a whole and basic logic. Instead, Moore wrote for a headline and caused a firestorm off a article.
This is why Chinook is a dumbass.
The problem isn't with questioning the numbers and researching further. The problem is with trying to objectively evaluate a situation while also assuming a conclusion. That biases the entire process, including the data collection, which was evident in the way Moore picked only a couple of examples that supported his point while ignoring that they weren't the norm for that game. Numbers don't tell the whole story, and the numbers may also change with more data. But they are rarely wrong with a large sample. It gets to the point that people have to accept less and less likely scenarios to reject what the numbers say. I'm not saying it's the case here, but eventually, there comes a point when saying "I know that's not true" becomes plain denial.
Eventually you are what the numbers say you are. In Kawhi's case, though, I'm pretty sure that his numbers are normalizing as the full rotation plays more minutes together, which was always a more likely explanation than the Moore pulled out. Also, I think the Spurs are getting better offensively than they were in games 5-15 or whatever stretch it was where they lost a number of games.
I've never said that there aren't factors that hurt the D outside Kawhi. Everyone knows that. But that doesn't explain why Kawhi's numbers were the worst on the team. If those things affected him, they should have affected everyone else just as much.But if you honestly don't think having Pau in at the 5 vs Duncan, and with Green being out early on wouldn't have an impact on the overall defense, then it's probably pointless to discuss.
The thing is, that can be demonstrated statistically. Overhelping, compensating defensively, those things show up in numbers like points of cuts and spot-up percentage allowed. I'm not sure if they do for Kawhi one way or the other, but that's not something one should say ad hoc without investigating. Personally, I don't think it's the case at all that Kawhi is struggling to carry a worse D. I think if anything, the absence of Duncan has made Kawhi less able to play the D he wants. Essentially, he used to be able to help more, because Tim's shot-blocking gave Kawhi more leeway to get back to his man. Now with turnstile Pau there, he has to stay close, which hurts his ability to affect the opposing offense. That is a narrative that can be supported based on the previously mentioned stats.So he's taken on a greater responsibility and load on both ends. A slight slippage is expected, but he isn't a negative defender. That's where context matters.
If that's the case, the solution would be for Leonard to help more, at the expense of his man scoring more. If Wiggins wants to stand 30 feet from the basket, let him. You don't have to worry about him out there, so stop "locking him down". Butler standing so far in the corner that he's behind the backboard doesn't warrant too much attention. Help, , overhelp, and I bet the individual numbers hardly go up at all, while the team numbers would improve. Even if Moore's assertion were true, there's no reason it should work. Very few players really warrant guarding when they're so far out of the play, and those guys aren't going to be decoys for their teams.
Chinook writes a lot of nothing. Ask him what he thinks, not if's and what's.
I wish that virus would've kept him out a month smh
I guess Porker's daddy WestBrick isn't on the schedule this month?
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