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    No reason to get excited after last season's meltdown, tbh..everybody on this forum has a 1-month memory

    The Spurs squad of the past few weeks probably isn't the team we will see in the playoffs..they have looked great with TP having his annual nice stretch of basketball that can't be sustained..once he reverts to a more normalized, realistic level of play, this team will have the same issues that plagued them last season..
    No one thought we'd even play this well coming into the season. I think most fans were resigned to a <2% chance at a le. The fact that we're playing well enough to not only be in the conversation but near the top of the West is pretty awesome. We match up about as well as possible with the Warriors and there are no other elite teams out West save maybe the Rockets right now.

    Still not optimistic about a le but far more than I have been. Which, again, isn't saying much.

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    Spurs fans are spoiled tbh...people in here doubting when the Spurs managed to obliterate GS, snapped Houston's 10 game steak and are 2-1 against them, made the Raptors look like a d-league squad, as well as having an elite start to the season on the road with 7 new players. Spurs still have off games and sequences but you can tell they're putting it together...with GS being so fragile on the inside and not having the kind of athletic slashing players that give spurs problems, they have a real shot to make it to the Finals again imo

    God damn. Why did this thread even exist? We need just ONE post like this in every thread and everyone else can spare us their diarrhea drivel that accounts for 92.39% of all ST content.

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    No one thought we'd even play this well coming into the season. I think most fans were resigned to a <2% chance at a le. The fact that we're playing well enough to not only be in the conversation but near the top of the West is pretty awesome. We match up about as well as possible with the Warriors and there are no other elite teams out West save maybe the Rockets right now.

    Still not optimistic about a le but far more than I have been. Which, again, isn't saying much.
    I don't know why anybody believed the Spurs wouldn't be a top 4 team in the NBA, though..I have no idea what people like Zach Lowe saw when they were predicting that the Spurs would fall to the level of teams like Toronto and Boston, just an egregiously poor prediction..

    I guess it was the Duncan factor, but still..

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    You mean other than past Spurs Championship teams, right? I mean, we aren't counting Tim and Tony, or you wouldn't even have asked that question. (Edit: Yes, I know that Tim and Dirk are listed as PF's. Dirk is one thing, but even the All Star and All NBA people debated about whether Tim was a PF or a C. Tim was a PF who did a lot of C stuff. LMA isn't. Pau is a C who does a lot more PF things.)

    So... Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love. They look pretty good.
    Curry and Bogut. I think those two are fairly good.
    Is this fun for you? 'Cuz it's kinda fun for me.
    Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch. (x2) I know they sucked, but they got paid lots of money, so I'll throw them in for laughs.
    Nowitzki and Kidd. Kidd was at the end of his game, but he was still Jason Kidd.
    Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol. (x2) A much younger Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol.
    Dwayne Wade and Shaq.
    Damn, I didn't think it would be this hard to come up with examples.

    The weakest examples in the last 18 years are Rondo-Perkins, and Billups-Wallace. The weakest. I know, I know... Tim and Dirk were both 4's. Right. I'm not getting into that. You still have to go all the way back to the Jordan-led Bulls to find an exception. At the beginning of this season, Pau and Tony both looked too old to be the starting C and PG on a Championship team. Period. I'm not saying they suck - I'm talking about winning 16 games in the playoffs kind of good.

    Tony is looking like he may still have a run in him - maybe. That's one step closer. If Pau finds the fountain of youth, it changes the calculus.
    Lol what a mess of a post that's just too sloppy to reply to

    I did see a Derek Fisher in there tho which also is lol

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    I don't know why anybody believed the Spurs wouldn't be a top 4 team in the NBA, though..I have no idea what people like Zach Lowe saw when they were predicting that the Spurs would fall to the level of teams like Toronto and Boston, just an egregiously poor prediction..

    I guess it was the Duncan factor, but still..

    I believed it. I thought that there was zero chance Durant would come here, and I didn't think it was very likely that they Spurs would actually get Gasol.

    If the Spurs hadn't gotten Gasol to sign, and if Tony had lost even a little bit over the way he looked at the end of last season? Those predictions would have been right. Whatever limitations Pau has or doesn't have, the Spurs were damned lucky to have signed him. (And so are the fans.)

    And Tony? Players age, and he has a serious load of mileage. If you asked me which was more likely - that he would get worse, or he would get better? Getting worse is what aging players do - eventually they all do.

    The predictions weren't all that illogical in the offseason.

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    No reason to get excited after last season's meltdown, tbh..everybody on this forum has a 1-month memory

    The Spurs squad of the past few weeks probably isn't the team we will see in the playoffs..they have looked great with TP having his annual nice stretch of basketball that can't be sustained..once he reverts to a more normalized, realistic level of play, this team will have the same issues that plagued them last season..
    Everyone clown my hater for "this team goes as far as MVParker takes us", but a lot a lot of truth in that statement, tbh ..

    Offensively, we are a totally different proposition when Tony has a pep in his step.
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    Lol what a mess of a post that's just too sloppy to reply to

    I did see a Derek Fisher in there tho which also is lol

    And yet you replied. And the only thing you could come up with was to disregard Derek Fisher. That's cute. Gotta love Spurfans who can't give credit to a player who kicked their team's asses so many times. Now ask yourself - if he's so bad, AND he did that much damage against the Spurs, what does that say about the Spurs? Isn't it easier just to admit that he was a tough little bas that was the starting PG on FOUR championship teams?

    Orrr... maybe you're the one that's right. No team has EVER depended on a good PG and C to win a Championship.

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    Everyone clown my hater for "this team goes as far as MVParker takes us", but a lot a lot of truth in that statement, tbh ..

    Offensively; we are a totally different proportion when Tony has a pep in his step.
    You are the biggest dumbass on this board tbh. This team lives and dies on Manu.

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    And yet you replied. And the only thing you could come up with was to disregard Derek Fisher. That's cute. Gotta love Spurfans who can't give credit to a player who kicked their team's asses so many times. Now ask yourself - if he's so bad, AND he did that much damage against the Spurs, what does that say about the Spurs? Isn't it easier just to admit that he was a tough little bas that was the starting PG on FOUR championship teams?

    Orrr... maybe you're the one that's right. No team has EVER depended on a good PG and C to win a Championship.
    You put Kevin Love in as center. And a good one.

    But Pau is a weak spot?

    Get out of here until you clear up that ty post.

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    Everyone clown my hater for "this team goes as far as MVParker takes us", but a lot a lot of truth in that statement, tbh ..

    Offensively; we are a totally different proportion when Tony has a pep in his step.
    Only re s can disagree with this truth bomb

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    Everyone clown my hater for "this team goes as far as MVParker takes us", but a lot a lot of truth in that statement, tbh ..

    Offensively; we are a totally different proportion when Tony has a pep in his step.
    Well ya, because the PG on the team is generally expected to carry a large load of the offense..it's the same reason Parker has been a huge liability for 2+ seasons, he's being put in a role that no longer suits him(although he's been great as of late)..

    The alternatives for the Spurs are a small SG(Patty), a 19-year old inexperienced SG(Murray) and a scrub(Lappro, prior to his release)..

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    I believed it. I thought that there was zero chance Durant would come here, and I didn't think it was very likely that they Spurs would actually get Gasol.

    If the Spurs hadn't gotten Gasol to sign, and if Tony had lost even a little bit over the way he looked at the end of last season? Those predictions would have been right. Whatever limitations Pau has or doesn't have, the Spurs were damned lucky to have signed him. (And so are the fans.)

    And Tony? Players age, and he has a serious load of mileage. If you asked me which was more likely - that he would get worse, or he would get better? Getting worse is what aging players do - eventually they all do.

    The predictions weren't all that illogical in the offseason.
    The predictions I was referring to were made following the Gasol signing..

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    The predictions I was referring to were made following the Gasol signing..

    Eh. I got a lot more optimistic about the season after that signing. I still have doubts about beating the other top 3-4 teams, but when they signed Pau, I quit worrying about the 50 win streak like I had been.

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    I think they're a fringe contender, nothing has changed IMO..I thought they were a level below the Cavs and Warriors, entering the season..I don't think they'll be as good as either by season's end, but they might be on the same level, at this point(considering the flaws of those teams)..

    They could still easily lose a series to the Clips in round 2 or even Houston(although it's unlikely)..

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    I think they're a fringe contender, nothing has changed IMO..I thought they were a level below the Cavs and Warriors, entering the season..I don't think they'll be as good as either by season's end, but they might be on the same level, at this point(considering the flaws of those teams)..

    They could still easily lose a series to the Clips in round 2 or even Houston(although it's unlikely)..

    Pretty damned clean assessment, IMO. If the Rockets are hitting shots, they can beat ANYONE on any given night. They could stay hot enough games to win a series - not likely four series in a row, though. We all know the problems the Clippers make for the Spurs. If we hadn't picked up Dedmon and Lee, I'd be worried about a possible upset from OKC.

    Your black/white schtick wears about as thin as the krew . When you talk about basketball, you're usually pretty damned solid. One of the few people who doesn't think it's disloyal to admit that there are teams that may be better than the Spurs.

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    One of the few people who doesn't think it's disloyal to admit that there are teams that may be better than the Spurs.
    Lolwut

    Who actually does think it's disloyal?


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    Pretty damned clean assessment, IMO. If the Rockets are hitting shots, they can beat ANYONE on any given night. They could stay hot enough games to win a series - not likely four series in a row, though. We all know the problems the Clippers make for the Spurs. If we hadn't picked up Dedmon and Lee, I'd be worried about a possible upset from OKC.

    Your black/white schtick wears about as thin as the krew . When you talk about basketball, you're usually pretty damned solid. One of the few people who doesn't think it's disloyal to admit that there are teams that may be better than the Spurs.
    Why do people keep saying the Cavs are better? How are they better? Honestly I see the Cavs aboit as good as the Rockets. They only beat the warriors because of how they match up, not because they are better. The Spurs have had their number for a while now, and we'd destroy them in the finals.

    The warriors, on the other hand, are better. But I still believe we could beat them in 7 by some miracle. Maybe KD and Steph go cold, but I want to have the Spurs beat em at full strength

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    Even if the Dubs and Cavs could be better (not guaranteed). this in no way makes the Spurs a "fringe contender" given there are only 2 teams at most ahead of them, one of whom we've beaten badly, and the second with a worse record than us.

    A fringe contender is more like Toronto, or the Rockets (given the history of D'Antoni teams being exposed in the playoffs), or even maybe the Clippers or Memphis.

    Spurs are a serious contender. That doesn't mean they will win it or would be favored over the Dubs, but it means they've a of a lot better than a "puncher's chance to advance in the playoffs". That poster sounds like we're first round fodder. Dubs are probably the ONLY NBA team that would be favored in a series with the Spurs as of today (and the Spurs usually don't hit their stride until after the RRT trip because Pop begins every season teaching and process-orientated, more than maximising wins). Yet, some of you are waving the white flag, while others cover their assess by predicting "we'll probably lose." Of course, we'll probably lose. Even the greatest teams USUALLY lose at some point in any given playoffs. Except for the ancient dynasties of George Mikan and Bill Russell, nobody wins championships more often than not in the NBA. Not Jordan, not Magic, not Timmy. Saying we'll probably lose is the safest assertion possible.

    Again, so many on here apparently define "contender" as "heavily favored over all other teams to win it". It's laughable to me, frankly. It's like they want to be front runners, and if they can't they make sure everyone knows that they think the Spurs will fail. I'd like to hear one of the regular naysayers on here talk about the weaknesses of OTHER teams and the way Spurs could win just for once.

    Ugh.
    Good arguments. Tbh, I was a big naysayer at the beginning of the season. I was hopeful that the team could keep the 50-win streak alive. I thought the Spurs would be fortunate to get beyond the first round. At this juncture, I am quite a bit more optimistic. I assess their chances against other top teams a little differently than you, however, we certainly are not mere "fringe contenders" with no more than a "puncher's chance." I believe oddsmakers would favor the Spurs over any team except the Rockets, Clips, Dubs and Cavs. I believe they would be even even odds against the Rockets, and slight underdogs against the others. That pretty much mirrors my own assessment. In any of those matchups I personally would not bet against the Spurs.

    I have four primary reasons for my increased sense of optimism. First is LMA; he is showing a toughness I did not believe he had. More and more he is eschewing his fadeaway game (which I hated) and is going strongly to the hoop. He is playing like a de facto center. I love it, and I believe that evolution alone makes the Spurs serious contenders. But there is more. Tony is playing very good basketball. (I honestly don't know what to make of the "won't pass the ball to Kawhi crowd.") I think the Spurs can win another LOB with Tony playing as he has for the last few weeks. The emergence of Bertans is also a HUGE development. Having another 3-point threat takes so much pressure off of Kawhi, Danny and Patty (or does it put more pressure on Patty?) and even Simmons, and makes the team a potential offensive juggernaut. The fact that he is so versatile and athletic is gravy. And finally, Simmons seems to be developing his understanding of the game and the Spurs' "system" which gives him the consistency he has lacked, enabling him to be a reliable rotation player - possibly good enough to replace Manu (except for Pop's stubbornness).

    In sum, this team has the potential to beat any team as it is currently cons uted.

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    Tony can't keep up this level of play for the rest of the season and playoffs but he doesn't have to. If he can produce a one-month stretch like this, as long as it's from mid-May to mid-June, the Spurs can beat anyone.

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    Lol we still suck at winning contested rebounds and we can't stop any other all-star guard.

    Aldridge's play sn't going to stop being mercurial.

    I appreciate the wins, especially when guys like J. Simmons and Davis play well, but we're still fool's gold because we can't stop quick players from eating our lunch in the paint.

    We just don't get to play good teams very often. (Because the only good teams are Clipps, Wars, Cavs, and Rockettes when Harden is going God mode)

    We can't defend, so we can't win against those teams long-term.

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    Lol we still suck at winning contested rebounds and we can't stop any other all-star guard.

    Aldridge's play sn't going to stop being mercurial.

    I appreciate the wins, especially when guys like J. Simmons and Davis play well, but we're still fool's gold because we can't stop quick players from eating our lunch in the paint.

    We just don't get to play good teams very often. (Because the only good teams are Clipps, Wars, Cavs, and Rockettes when Harden is going God mode)

    We can't defend, so we can't win against those teams long-term.


    Like all those teams don't have flaws too.

    Yeah, the Dubs might be challenging, and the Clips are a bad match up, but no team can't be beaten. We'd be favored and rightfully so against the Rockects, Clipps and probably the Cavs in a series, especially if we had home court (which we're on pace to get).

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    DeAndre whatshisface scares and disables our entire team. Don't laugh. You've seen it for years now just like I have. We can't do anything against Chris Paul besides injuring him.

    I'll be impressed when we look good against them twice in a row.

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    DeAndre whatshisface scares and disables our entire team. Don't laugh. You've seen it for years now just like I have. We can't do anything against Chris Paul besides injuring him.

    I'll be impressed when we look good against them twice in a row.
    This is true but we have to hope they don't end up on the Spur side of the bracket come playoff time. If they are not in the spurs bracket then it doesn't mater.

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    Kawhi unstoppable

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    Kawhi unstoppable

    Against the 12-27 Suns, he's supposed to be.

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