Breaking: Washington judge grants nationwide restraining order on Immigration ban

[ElNono]

That's MSM talking points, El.

I'm talking execution, just my opinion Cul... I don't claim to be right. This didn't need to be this messy, IMO.

[ElNono]

Here's the actual ruling:
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=000001...a-b72da1d30001

What it lays out is actually not a religion-based case, as reported, but the fact that States have standing to sue due to the fact that immigration orders affect the state resident's areas of employment, education, business, etc, which in turns affect the state coffers (through taxing via income, consumption, etc). This is notable in that it's exactly the same rationale by which Barry's immigration EOs when it come to dreamers, etc were confronted in court. Whereas in the Barry case the claim was that illegal/undo ented immigrants were going to impose an economic burden for the States, in this case the argument centers in that the loss of legal immigrants affect the State's economy in a negative way (among other things).

I'm sure the administration is going to request an immediate stay of the order, and resume the ban, but it will be interesting to see on how this plays out in court. The obvious difference is that in this case there's a case to be made about national security implications, but on the other hand, the fact that this was a general ban could also empower the States if they can prove the actual economic harm.

[Wild Cobra]

Home of the redskins, bullets, and 92% Democratic vote. The worst hole in the entire US, even worse than dogtown Detroit

The Redskins are not in the state of Washington.

WA state attorney...

Los of power for his position!

Something isn't right.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The Redskins are not in the state of Washington.

WA state attorney...

Los of power for his position!

Something isn't right.

I correct myself. Thread le said Washington, I assumed D.C. not Wa. State.

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Over 60,000 Visas Revoked Since Trump’s Travel Ban Took Effect


http://www.nationalmemo.com/visas-revoked-travel-ban/

This clearly has reduced the huge number of foreign terrorists that have been murdering 1000s of Americans, in America, for years.

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On Trial: Why Trump’s Immigration Ban Will Win Over Seattle Judge’s Nationwide Order


http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/on-t...tionwide-stay/

[Raven]

if you thought this was ever going through, i don't know what to tell you tbh... trump knew it btw

[djohn2oo8]

Over 60,000 Visas Revoked Since Trump’s Travel Ban Took Effect


http://www.nationalmemo.com/visas-revoked-travel-ban/

This clearly has reduced the huge number of foreign terrorists that have been murdering 1000s of Americans, in America, for years.

They are now valid again. LMAO Trump

The State Department has reversed the visa cancellations for foreigners, the Associated Press reported Saturday. "Those individuals with visas that were not physically cancelled may now travel if the visa is otherwise valid," a State spokesperson said.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security confirmed Saturday that the department has suspended "any and all" actions ordered by Trump that are affected by judge's ruling.

"In accordance with the judge's ruling, DHS has suspended any and all actions implementing the affected sections of the Executive Order en led, “Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States," Gillian Christenson said.

[djohn2oo8]

trump meltdown on Twitter

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I just saw three Mooslims at North Star Mall wearing explosive suicide vests, they came straight from the airport.

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I just saw three Mooslims at North Star Mall wearing explosive suicide vests, they came straight from the airport.

That's the mudslimes for ya.

[DMC]

I think the basis is that there cannot be a religious test for immigration, at least from the excerpts we've heard so far. So the question would center on the actual cons utionality of the EO.

At some point the tenets of the belief have to come into question so that not all beliefs fall under the protections of religion. Else I can simply have a terrorist group that openly espouses death to the US and say it's our religious belief so you cannot discriminate based on it. I think we certainly can discriminate based on your lifetime of brainwashing to the idea that a caliphate needs to arise and infidels must die, that someone should be killed if they draw a depiction of your god. Otherwise we just wait for what we know they are going to do to occur and react on a case by case basis.

I'm ok with treating all religions the same way though. They should put all the religious folks on a big island and let them see who's god is strongest.

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Inside the White House-Cabinet battle over Trump’s immigration order

the man charged with implementing the order, Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly, had a plan. He would issue a waiver for lawful permanent residents, a.k.a. green-card holders, from the seven majority-Muslim countries whose citizens had been banned from entering the United States.

White House chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon wanted to stop Kelly in his tracks. Bannon paid a personal and unscheduled visit to Kelly’s Department of Homeland Security office to deliver an order:

Don’t issue the waiver.

Kelly, according to two administration officials familiar with the confrontation, refused to comply with Bannon’s instruction.

That was the beginning of a weekend of negotiations among senior Trump administration staffers that led, on Sunday, to a decision by Trump to temporarily freeze the issuance of executive orders.

The confrontation between Bannon and Kelly pitted a political operator against a military disciplinarian.

Respectfully but firmly, the

retired general and longtime Marine told Bannon that despite his high position in the White House and close relationship with Trump, the former Breitbart chief was not in Kelly’s chain of command,

two administration officials said.

If the president wanted Kelly to back off from issuing the waiver,

Kelly would have to hear it from the president directly,

he told Bannon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-draw7&wpmm=1

Sounds like Trash ed up and appointed some somewhat decent citizens compared to the lawless, Leninists Bannon and Miller.

My guess is that Kelly will get fed up and resign, or told to resign, and refused. Others may follow him out, as Bannon gets the sycophantic, less, lawless Cabinet and agency heads he needs to pull of his coup.

[djohn2oo8]

Repugs would rather kick 20 million people from Healthcare coverage, which would kill more people than these supposed horrible Muslim terrorists.

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Repugs would rather kick 20 million people from Healthcare coverage, which would kill more people than these supposed horrible Muslim terrorists.

Absolutely. How the is it right to give it free to 20 million people by making it impossible for 20 million other people so that the latter 20 million pay for the former 20 million, dj? And if the latter 20 million won't pay they'll be monetarily penalized. that . It's ing insane.

[ElNono]

At some point the tenets of the belief have to come into question so that not all beliefs fall under the protections of religion. Else I can simply have a terrorist group that openly espouses death to the US and say it's our religious belief so you cannot discriminate based on it. I think we certainly can discriminate based on your lifetime of brainwashing to the idea that a caliphate needs to arise and infidels must die, that someone should be killed if they draw a depiction of your god. Otherwise we just wait for what we know they are going to do to occur and react on a case by case basis.

I'm ok with treating all religions the same way though. They should put all the religious folks on a big island and let them see who's god is strongest.

You can't prosecute crimes of thought, it's part of free speech. You can, however, run intelligence on them as prospective terrorists and catch them red handed whenever they attempt to act on those thoughts. That approach has served us well historically, statistically speaking.

[DMC]

You can't prosecute crimes of thought, it's part of free speech. You can, however, run intelligence on them as prospective terrorists and catch them red handed whenever they attempt to act on those thoughts. That approach has served us well historically, statistically speaking.

Odd then that you can be arrested for conspiring to commit murder. Conspiring is no more than expressed thought.

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I just saw some slope doctor on MSNBC questioning the mental health of Trump. They ain't sated by overturning that EO. Uh, uh. They're going for it, Trumps removal by hook, or, by crook.

This is going to be something else again.

[spurraider21]

Odd then that you can be arrested for conspiring to commit murder. Conspiring is no more than expressed thought.

with the intent to carry out that action. intent is huge in criminal law, as clinton knows well

[spurraider21]

Here's the actual ruling:
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=000001...a-b72da1d30001

What it lays out is actually not a religion-based case, as reported, but the fact that States have standing to sue due to the fact that immigration orders affect the state resident's areas of employment, education, business, etc, which in turns affect the state coffers (through taxing via income, consumption, etc). This is notable in that it's exactly the same rationale by which Barry's immigration EOs when it come to dreamers, etc were confronted in court. Whereas in the Barry case the claim was that illegal/undo ented immigrants were going to impose an economic burden for the States, in this case the argument centers in that the loss of legal immigrants affect the State's economy in a negative way (among other things).

I'm sure the administration is going to request an immediate stay of the order, and resume the ban, but it will be interesting to see on how this plays out in court. The obvious difference is that in this case there's a case to be made about national security implications, but on the other hand, the fact that this was a general ban could also empower the States if they can prove the actual economic harm.

court didn't really address how they found the plaintiff's have shown to be likely to succeed. he just states that they met that element, but doesn't dive into it, really. he does analyze the irreparable harm for a bit, but the likeliness to succeed is much more intriguing to just leave blank

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Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump – Verified account ‏@realDonaldTrump

Why aren't the lawyers looking at and using the Federal Court decision in Boston, which is at conflict with ridiculous lift ban decision?


USA USA USA

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USA USA USA

USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA.........

[Clipper Nation]

& here is a prime example of the delayed betrayal of (Bush). (Dems) never, ever make this mistake. They set someone somewhere with a Leftist bent and that er stays Left. You will not pass. Tonite, because of Bush we got ed by a sleeper cell activated at the opportune moment.

Same with Bush's appointment of Supreme Court Justice Roberts. He appoints him, but, only AFTER he tried to shove some other Justice thru that was leaning Left. Only because conservatives demanded he make another choice did we get Roberts who ended up ing us anyways on the Obamacare ruling.

Bush is a globalist, not a conservative. He's as leftist as any Democrat.

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Bush is a globalist, not a conservative. He's as leftist as any Democrat.

Yep. Fooled me a thousand times. "Was blind. But now I see."

& we're not going to get any relief out of the 9th Circuit. It will have to go to the SC.