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    One very important thing of note.

    This isn't the same type of microfracture surgery as what Penny, McDyess, Webber, Kidd or Randolph had. They all had ligament damage, which is far more serious.

    Amare has cartilage damage.

    Thus the 4 month recovery time.
    Not true. They all had cartilage damage. That is what microfracture surgery is for. The key to the severity is whether or not the cartilage damage is in a weight bearing area of the knee. Kidd's and Randolph's were not. I don't know about Amare.

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    could suns get a lottery pick out of this

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    Suns are so desperate than they have tried to sign Jerome Moiso but he failed his physical.
    Good Luck for Amare.

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    could suns get a lottery pick out of this
    That's a tad drastic. If Nash goes down then this seems rather likely, but as long as they have Nash and get Amare back for at least the last month of the season the Suns should be able to at least manage the eight spot.

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    We have Rasho Nesterovic for a trade between both

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    That's a thought, trade Rasho for Amare, heck, even throw in Ford

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    Very unfortunate injury for Amare. If the Suns are smart they'll sit him the whole season, but knowing D'Antoni he'll run him 48min the second he's ok'd by the dr's. :-/

    With the Suns all but a 45-50 win team now the Spurs should have a fairly easy road to the finals. Houston and Denver will compete, but they're are about it this year. Good luck Spurs fans.

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    One very important thing of note.

    This isn't the same type of microfracture surgery as what Penny, McDyess, Webber, Kidd or Randolph had. They all had ligament damage, which is far more serious.

    Amare has cartilage damage.

    Thus the 4 month recovery time.
    I hope so, although I hope they err on the side of caution in bringing him back. Amare's a hall of fame player in the making, and no season is worth jeopardizing that.

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    One very important thing of note.

    This isn't the same type of microfracture surgery as what Penny, McDyess, Webber, Kidd or Randolph had. They all had ligament damage, which is far more serious.

    Amare has cartilage damage.

    Thus the 4 month recovery time.
    Actually, TLong is right. It's the same surgery and they all had cartilage damage like Amare does - it's just a matter of how bad the damage was .. plus it takes a lot of luck. If after the surgery enough blood gets into the area so that it can heal properly and quickly.

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    With the Suns all but a 45-50 win team now the Spurs should have a fairly easy road to the finals.
    You really think the Suns can win 45 without Amare? With all the other changes, and with the element of surprise gone, I think they'll struggle to win 42.

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    You really think the Suns can win 45 without Amare? With all the other changes, and with the element of surprise gone, I think they'll struggle to win 42.
    I agree. They will struggle to make the playoffs without Amare.

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    Man this ing blows, poor kid. How do you think he injured his knee? Was it from all the wear and tear of that sky high jumping he does?

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    With Amare possibly out for the season I think they have a shot at the lottery. That's why I'm interested in how well protected that pick still is that went to the Spurs, then Knicks and maybe then Bulls?
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    I had a serious question early in this thread... who is their backup center? Brian Grant?

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    Man this ing blows, poor kid. How do you think he injured his knee? Was it from all the wear and tear of that sky high jumping he does?

    He did injure it during the Dallas series and did play charity games over the summer. So it could have been a progression of things.

    Brian Grant is backup C/PF. Don't forget Burke

    Seriously though, I think Jones or JJax will get the SF slot with Marion going to PF. They still have that $3.6mil trade exception and several first rounders. They should ride it out for @ 30 games and see if anyone steps up at PF, sans Marion. If not make a trade for a PF.

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    With Amare possibly out for the season I think they have a shot at the lottery. That's why I'm interested in how well protected that pick still is that went to the Spurs, then Knicks and maybe then Bulls?
    Suns own all their first round pick. The pick given to SA for Barbosa and traded to knicks was used to draft Lee this year(30th pick).
    Knicks owns 2006 SA first round pick (top 10 protected).

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    It's especially a shame for the Suns if he doesn't recover fully considering that they just signed him to that huge deal....

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    Suns own all their first round pick. The pick given to SA for Barbosa and traded to knicks was used to draft Lee this year(30th pick).
    Knicks owns 2006 SA first round pick (top 10 protected).
    Oh yeah.

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    He did injure it during the Dallas series and did play charity games over the summer. So it could have been a progression of things.

    Brian Grant is backup C/PF. Don't forget Burke

    Seriously though, I think Jones or JJax will get the SF slot with Marion going to PF. They still have that $3.6mil trade exception and several first rounders. They should ride it out for @ 30 games and see if anyone steps up at PF, sans Marion. If not make a trade for a PF.
    Your best backup PF is your backup PG (Diaw is 6'9 and play SF and PF this summer).
    Wilcox could be a solution, the TE + one first rounder is maybe enough but will Clips deal with a division rival ?

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    Such a ing shame, if I were Amare I would take an entire season off, especially given this injury's track record for screwing up careers.

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    What a shame. I had hoped that Amare's hops and physical ability would last until his game could catch up and he could get by without it. It took McDyess a couple of years for that to happen. I hope he comes through with flying colors.

    Didn't Amare just sign a max contract? That's gonna hurt if he doesn't come back.

    McDyess came back very strong from the surgery, and then broke his patella, weakened by the hole they drilled and not given time to completely heal.

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    How the did they just give this guy a 73 mil extension, with his knee bothering him like this. They did not make sure he was fine before they inked that deal, i mean he has been complaining about his knee for weeks now. I would expect him to get back to where he was but my god if he doesn't they still owe him all of that money.

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    Suns will not make the playoffs without Amare.

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    How the did they just give this guy a 73 mil extension, with his knee bothering him like this. They did not make sure he was fine before they inked that deal, i mean he has been complaining about his knee for weeks now. I would expect him to get back to where he was but my god if he doesn't they still owe him all of that money.
    Most of it would be covered by insurance, so it's a decent enough risk.

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    How the did they just give this guy a 73 mil extension, with his knee bothering him like this. They did not make sure he was fine before they inked that deal, i mean he has been complaining about his knee for weeks now. I would expect him to get back to where he was but my god if he doesn't they still owe him all of that money.
    They knew the knee was bothering him. They knew about it 2mo ago. From the article:
    The defect was noted on an MRI scan several weeks prior to surgery and at that time Stoudemire was treated symptomatically. As symptoms elevated, the decision was made to operate and treat more aggressively, rather than have a potentially lingering issue all season and perhaps beyond.

    They had to sign him. If they didn't and he recovered to pre-injury they he may wonder why the suns didn't take care of him. It could have been the JoJo fiasco all over again. Amare's knee is fine structurally, he's young and has the determination to return. The Suns did the right thing.

    Many of the players named who have had this were older and/or had previous knee surgeries. Stephen Davis (Carolina Panthers) had the surgery and he seems to be doing fine.

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