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As a solid NBA starting center, not at all. But he played himself out of that spot last year. As a guy who notched DNPs throughout the playoffs, his contract is pretty steep.
is rasho really overpaid considering the big contracts now though?
As a solid NBA starting center, not at all. But he played himself out of that spot last year. As a guy who notched DNPs throughout the playoffs, his contract is pretty steep.
Wow what a horrible thread.
Yet another who foolishly believes the Spurs will retain Mohammed. Sorry for having burst your bubble.
why is the thread horrible
what do you want to talk about
how spurs are going to keep everyone
it is fun to discuss what you think the spurs will do
Yeah too bad he's 30.Oberto is certainly capable of starting long-term in SA.
Marcus Byrant has to get over the fact:
That since Oberto is from Argentina he is going to be like Manu -- who knows? We will wait and see how good Oberto is before claiming he is starting material.
I'm the last guy to accuse of assuming a player is going to be great because he is from Argentina. Oberto is capable of starting in the NBA and when you look at his contract, you know that is much more attractive to the Spurs than paying someone $7.5 mil+ to do the same thing. The Spurs already have their big 3. After that they are going to be looking to keep the payroll cost down.
If the Spurs go into the playoffs this year with Oberto and Rasho at the center position, then we will not make it, pure and simple.
I am saying that based on 1 game of Oberto, with no 'garuntee'. Naturally if we're lucky and Oberto gets the job done, then it makes sense to trade our most tradeable asset to get something back before he leaves for nothing.
But at this point, everything is speculation.
The season hasn't even started fah crayin aut laud!Oberto is capable of starting in the NBA
Oh, boy Corso!
Im with you this time Marcus Bryant, I posted before the end of last season that Nazr will be traded this year at the trade deadline especially if Oberto works out which I think he is. Pop threw him at Shaq to see how he would match up cause Pop is intrigued by Oberto. Pop believes he can play in this league.
Spurs will try to push up Nazr's value and trade him like they traded Malik Rose. Please dont tell me that some of you guys believe that the Spurs are going to start overspending from this season on. They will trade Nazr off cause they believe he aint going to be worth what he could get on the open market.
Anyone who says that Nazr is a better fit than Rasho in the Spurs system is dreaming. What are we now? A high octane offense like last year's Suns? NO WAY! Spurs are always defence first. Nazr is a liability on defense. Rasho is much better defensively. and Nazr gives up too many fouls.
And I agree with Ducks. Rasho is not overpaid comparing what idiots like Foyle and Evans have got.
While I agree that the Spurs probably will shop Nazr, don't give them that about Rasho being better than him. If Rasho is the "bomb", why the did the Spurs go after another center in the first place. C'mon. Everyone knows how "soft" Rasho is. Say what you want about Nazr - from his bad hands to his foul trouble - but he was the starting center during the last half of the season. He DOES defend the rim and he attacks the offensive glass in a way that no one on that roster does. Besides, Rasho is just as foul prone - check your numbers.
Granted, his numbers were only slightly better than Rasho's (during his best season) but do you really think we could've beaten Detroit without Nazr's contributions? no. I know Tim plays the 5 spot during late stages of games, but if the Spurs had to rely solely on Rasho as their primary BIG, they never would have gotten as far as they did. With the way the Eastern teams have loaded up on size, I wouldn't be so quick as to run this guy out of town.
Anyway, I'd rather they keep the guy through this season and do a sign and trade in the offseason. Besides, we need to see how well Oberto works out first. Who knows? The Spurs may find it easier to unload Rasho's contract on some team prior to dealing with Nazr's situation. After all, it's his contract that has the organization frowning at the moment.
What makes you think Oberto is good enough to start?
Now, what did everyone not know already? lol.
You're right, there isn't any money. Mainly because we have been building some winning teams lately. I honestly think Pop and the shotcallers are trying to round-out this franchise by staying under the cap and dominating the the same, (we hope).
Oberto right now to me is like... a box of matches sitting next to a child. Either he sucks it up and we are known for the team with two white lumps or he owns it and Argentina officially takes over Brazil.
Nazr is a baller. I've watched him since his days at Kentucky vrs Arkansas at Bud Walton Arena. He has always been the way he is now, with each year getting better.... very very slowly. I think he's still on the SEC or college level in his head refectling his decisions on the court. They're sometimes raw, then just rough. I just think is has less downside to him than Rasho, and a huge a contract. Rasho to me is just exactly what we tried to rid ourselves of. "Soft".
OH MY GOD NIKOS, THAT AVATAR IS COOLER THAN YOUR LAST ONE!!!!!!!
STALLONE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont think they really went after another center in that trade. They wanted to get rid of Rose's contract and getting Nazr was the best deal they had available. Now that Nazr's value is sky high. Its time to trade him for a couple of projects.
The Spurs system doesnt need a scoring center. We need someone who can play defense and take the heat off Duncan. Duncan cannot risk guarding the big and get into foul trouble. Thats what Rasho and Nazr and Oberto are here for. Pick up the fouls so that Duncan can continue to stay in the game and let the offense run through him and get the opposing big into foul trouble.
BINGO!!!
There are so many parrots on Spurs Boards. Talking about contracts like they really understand them. I know MB knows how the cap works. He's done the math. The way it is, if Crappy scrubs like Jerome James & Adonal Foyle get paid for their meager contributions, what do you think that does for the market setting for Centers?
Yeah, Rasho's contract actually might be more fiscally responsible if Nazr opts to play hard ball and go for the big payout.
Irrefutably Owned.
It can't be that easy that the Spurs wanted to protect their number 1 option after a long time of playing with Team USA commitments and such. Having 2 solid backups made Pop's subs ution patterns more effective than if he was just going to use Rasho & Mailk. But it can't be that easy...can it?
I think it's more a case of the Spurs wanting to drop Rose's contract and finding a taker. Maybe they will surprise us all and re-up Mohammed at a market rate, but I'm not counting on it.
Dude, honestly.
How many times have you seen the opposing team's point guard and shooting guard LAY IT UP OR DUNK right in Rasho's no-hops having face?
Compare that number, per game, to Nazr's.
All I know is, once Nazr started, I stopped saying the all-to-familar phrase:
"ON OUR CENTER!!!?!!???!!!
He may play good Team/Preventive defense, but once that guard is in the lane he's as worthless as a dying, suffocing, fish.
(that's just defense, his no-hops havin ass doesn't even konw how to pick up garbage duncan points)
Plus, although it is granted and evident that this statistic is based on very small sample size, noone can deny that history shows the Spurs lose like little es with Rasho being the starting Center, and wreck shop like they roll on dubs with Nazr starting Center, in the playoffs.
We're lucky we didn't meet Shaq in the playoffs.
I would like just one of you blabbering idiot to say: Rasho is to blame on .4 loss. Then I would die happy and smart.
Wreck shop like they roll don dubs? Please. Statistically Nazr didn't do that much more that what Rasho did the year before except this past year, Ginobili rose his game to whole nother level. In effect, the Spurs benefitted more from that than any contribution that either Rasho or Nazr provided.and wreck shop like they roll on dubs with Nazr starting Center, in the playoffs.
It really doesn't matter who starts or whatever because if Oberto plays like he is capable of playing, he'll be able to match either of those guys' stats at less the price but with the added bonus of being able to pass better.
And Horry showed up after the first round.Statistically Nazr didn't do that much more that what Rasho did the year before except this past year, Ginobili rose his game to whole nother level.
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