Parker: 15 straight seasons of 10+ PPG and counting

[Clipper Nation]

Thought you were talking about Chris Paul for a second, but I'll have to see if Austin Rivers out played Paul last year. Tony has 4 rings and a Finals MVP. Patty Mills has more playoff success than Chris Paul.

[TD 21]

We were so fortunate Pop pulled the plug on Avery at the perfect time instead of giving him the new deal he got from Denver.

Imagine if Pop had the heart he has now, Avery would have started from 01'-03' and TP wouldn't have ever played in the 01' series vs. the Sonics when we saw his potential on full display.

It was more so about . . .

As for Parker, Parker had an opportunity because there was no other options. Pop was forced to play Tony out of necessity. Parker received an abundant amount of playing time for long stretches to figure it out, and things didn't exactly click with him from the start. He really started to sprout in the spring and playoffs of his rookie year.

Murrays' road to freedom has been blocked off, for the time being, because of being drafted to a team with a 15 year Hall of Fame Point guard and a well respected proven veteran backing him up. No matter how good Murray was going to be this year, Pop wasn't going to play him over Patty or Parker and he wasn't going to play him over Manu or Anderson/Simmons at the SG spot.

Even though they had won a championship and been a good franchise for a decade, the Spurs weren't the Spurs in '01 and Johnson wasn't Parker.

[apalisoc_9]

How the dod Malone manage to trick voters to vote for him twice MVP in the 90s...Specially since he wasn't even the third best player in the 90s...mind blown.

[SpursforSix]

Meh. We don't know that for sure at all.

That's inconclusive, because Murray hasn't had a real opportunity and every-time he does get a real opportunity ( more than 20 minutes in a game), he has surpassed expectations and performed better than anyone thought. ( 11.4 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 53% from the field and 38% from three -- while not being a liability on the defensive end ( yes he's made some mental mistakes, but teams can't physically exploit him like they do Patty and Tony.

As for Parker, Parker had an opportunity because there was no other options. Pop was forced to play Tony out of necessity. Parker received an abundant amount of playing time for long stretches to figure it out, and things didn't exactly click with him from the start. He really started to sprout in the spring and playoffs of his rookie year.

Murrays' road to freedom has been blocked off, for the time being, because of being drafted to a team with a 15 year Hall of Fame Point guard and a well respected proven veteran backing him up. No matter how good Murray was going to be this year, Pop wasn't going to play him over Patty or Parker and he wasn't going to play him over Manu or Anderson/Simmons at the SG spot.

Parker was way more NBA ready than Murray at the same age. Parker's ball handling skills were NBA worthy almost immediately. And he had the quickness to be a weapon early on.
As much as I like Murray and hope for the best, it's not even close imo.

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker was way more NBA ready than Murray at the same age. Parker's ball handling skills were NBA worthy almost immediately. And he had the quickness to be a weapon early on.
As much as I like Murray and hope for the best, it's not even close imo.

It's inconclusive. If you say one or the other your biased. Fact of the matter is we didn't see enough of Murray to really assess or analyze to really compare the two.

The times we did see Murray play with starters and play enough to get a feel for the game, he played great and showed the quickness and ability to finish inside (like Tony). It's inconclusive though, we didn't get enough evidence to really draw end all conclusions.

If you want, we can spin eachother in circles with the discussion but facts are facts. Not enough evidence and with the true evidence we have.. its close.

[DMC]

Where the big three played got. Not some meaningless ing series.

He says the big three forgetting that Tony is one of those.

[DMC]

Yet there's only one player who has more playoff appearances without ever making the Conference Finals than Chris Paul.

[DMC]

How the dod Malone manage to trick voters to vote for him twice MVP in the 90s...Specially since he wasn't even the third best player in the 90s...mind blown.

Because MVP is a regular-season award.

[SpursforSix]

It's inconclusive. If you say one or the other your biased. Fact of the matter is we didn't see enough of Murray to really assess or analyze to really compare the two.

The times we did see Murray play with starters and play enough to get a feel for the game, he played great and showed the quickness and ability to finish inside (like Tony). It's inconclusive though, we didn't get enough evidence to really draw end all conclusions.

If you want, we can spin eachother in circles with the discussion but facts are facts. Not enough evidence and with the true evidence we have.. its close.

Man...I'm certainly not biased. Murray doesn't have near the handles that TP had. But yeah...Murray definitely impressed with the short spurts he had. And he probably has a better build to play defense. And yeah...Parker had Duncan back there. It's probably closer than I said. But I still think that a parker was was more ready. And maybe that had to do with the volume of games he played before the NBA.

Hopefully Murray will get the chance to prove himself next year if not in the playoffs.

[Clipper Nation]

Yet there's only one player who has more playoff appearances without ever making the Conference Finals than Chris Paul.

That's -154 talkin'.

[Mikeanaro]

Man...I'm certainly not biased. Murray doesn't have near the handles that TP had. But yeah...Murray definitely impressed with the short spurts he had. And he probably has a better build to play defense. And yeah...Parker had Duncan back there. It's probably closer than I said. But I still think that a parker was was more ready. And maybe that had to do with the volume of games he played before the NBA.

Hopefully Murray will get the chance to prove himself next year if not in the playoffs.

There is nothing to prove actually, Porker is eroding and its a matter of time it could be now or in 5 more years (french got) but Murray will have his chance.

[DMC]

That's -154 talkin'.

^That's "Taylor Swift got a banner in Staples before the Clippers" talkin'

[SpursforSix]

There is nothing to prove actually, Porker is eroding and its a matter of time it could be now or in 5 more years (french got) but Murray will have his chance.

Well, that would be a damn interesting 5 ing years. I would assume that at some point, he'd get taken out.

[GSH]

10 PPG for the starting PG on a team with Championship aspirations isn't exactly something to celebrate. If you're worried about his number being retired and raised into the rafters, then I guess it's a big deal.

I only care about the current year's Championship chances. 10 PPG, from a score-first PG, isn't enough. Especially when the 3-and-D guy is chronically single-digits, and the starting C can't make unless someone hits him for an Ally-Oop dunk.

I understand that a lot of you care about records and legacies. Keep us posted on how those things are going.

[will_spurs]

That's almost 3 regular seasons worth of playoff games o_O

[gambit1990]

playoffs, career:

	WS	VORP
lebron	41.6	26.8
manu	20.6	10.6
tony	13.2	3.7

but tony played more games

[MaNu4Tres]

Page 2 has some pretty good discussion on Murray.. tbh.

Kid has been more than ready.