Bulls: "Someone need to come to me and explain to me what Jordan is better at than LeBron.."

[jag]

He's also better at making decisions that lead to the death of a loved one..oh, and of course, killing Black youth..

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I tell people all the time (for the past 3-4 years) that LeBron is better than Jordan was (and I don't even like Le ), and people look at me like I just said Muhammad > Jesus.

Straight up, lebron is better at basketball. The problem is that lebron is a front running pussy and quitter.

[dfens]

tbh it's quite easy, dad killer was much better at:
- footwork and all that benefits from it (feints, acrobatic finishes, etc)
- fundamentals (positioning, timing, defensive awareness, offensive awareness, shooting mechanics)
- post play
- slashing
- scoring in general
- off-ball play and running plays
- free throws
- ruthless leadership
- selling the league and getting the benefits of it (lucky he was the first to do it properly, but it's what happened) like fts, protection, etc
- clutch play
- no 2011/2010 pussying outs.

His game was also more aesthetically pleasing so that makes a lasting image.

I really like lebron's game btw, he plays with the grace of a bulldozer but his impact is absolutely goat level. For me he is in the 2nd goat spot in a tie with KAJ and magic. If lebron had the '15-'16 mindset from the get-go he would've been the goat imo (no big chokes, no mental lapses, he'd improve his fts, he'd improve his footwork, etc). MJ was just something else tbh, no shame in acknowledging it.

[lefty]

Let's not pretend MJ never choked

[LkrFan]

Not "my" Spurs, Paco. And those Cel s didn't get the luxury of facing under-.500 creampuffs in the conference finals. Can Magic and Kareem say the same?

mid, when did you stop rooting for the Spurs? I see you posting about them upstairs all the time.

[LkrFan]

Let's not pretend MJ never choked

MJ's teammates totaled 11 all star appearances. LBJ? 44.

MJ 6-0
LBJ 3-4

Verdict: MJ won more with lesser teammates in a tougher era.

/end thread

[Killakobe81]

I love how some Spur fans love this nerds take but ignore that he follows it with Kiwi is only 5th-7th best player in the NBA ...
That alone makes this dude full of ...

At least this year there are not 5-6 better players than Leonard
But you guys only agree with this re ed take cuz its similar to some of your own ...

[lefty]

MJ's teammates totaled 11 all star appearances. LBJ? 44.

MJ 6-0
LBJ 3-4

Verdict: MJ won more with lesser teammates in a tougher era.

/end thread

- so LeBron is penalized for going further in the playoffs than MJ? How does that work? Russell is 11-1 in the Finals, so MJ has a better Finals record because he is unbeaten in the Finals?

- LeBron has never lost in the 1st round. Jordan did 3 TIMES.

- MJ waited 7 years to get to the Finals while LeBron dragged a bunch of scrubs to the Finals. In his 4th season

- LeBron makes his teams better. Just look at his teams records when he joins/leaves.

- the teams LeBron faced in the Finals are better than the ones MJ faced, at least in his 1st 3peat : Lakers had injuries to key players and Magic was on his way out. Drexler didn't have a Pippen. Suns had one of the tiest defenses I've ever seen and KJ was playing injured, and Ceballos missed the Finals.

- MJ played in a tougher NBA?
MJ couldn't win until Stern listened to his complaining and changed the rules to make it easier for MJ.
MJ could not beat Detroit pre-rules change, what a tough guy
LeBron would have been a PF in the 90s,he would have obliterated that era, especially with no zone D


Not only did they change the rules for him, but he was allowed to get away with everything on both ends of the court.
And don't get me started on his final season, Jordan struggled physically so they bailed him out with free throws

[Clipper Nation]

mid, when did you stop rooting for the Spurs? I see you posting about them upstairs all the time.

I know English is your second language, Mauricio, but I'm not Mid.

[Spurtacular]

Perimeter shooting; post play; defense; Jordan better at all of them.

Today's LBJ sucker.

[DMC]

Lebron is the most effective player. He's not the best. He's not a good FT shooter. He's not a good 3pt shooter. He doesn't have great handles. What he has is animal like twitch muscle speed, burst, fairly high basketball IQ, experience, PF size with PG capabilities, and enough of all of the things I mentioned to be deadly as a combination. He can get to the rim, around or over you. He does it a lot. He doesn't seem to have long lapses in give a . He's not a mental case. He has focus. He's a willing passer and trusts his teammates. He's not a ball hog. He doesn't stat pad (that I've seen). He's a good teammate and folks like playing with him.

Jordan wanted the ball, had a hard time trusting his teammates, didn't get along with them, had superior confidence in his ability to win, could not be intimidated, didn't seem to shrink in the moment. Jordan was 100% all the time, like Manu with Lebron's abilities.

[LkrFan]

I know English is your second language, Mauricio, but I'm not Mid.

[hitmanyr2k]

- so LeBron is penalized for going further in the playoffs than MJ? How does that work? Russell is 11-1 in the Finals, so MJ has a better Finals record because he is unbeaten in the Finals?

- LeBron has never lost in the 1st round. Jordan did 3 TIMES.

- MJ waited 7 years to get to the Finals while LeBron dragged a bunch of scrubs to the Finals. In his 4th season

- LeBron makes his teams better. Just look at his teams records when he joins/leaves.

- the teams LeBron faced in the Finals are better than the ones MJ faced, at least in his 1st 3peat : Lakers had injuries to key players and Magic was on his way out. Drexler didn't have a Pippen. Suns had one of the tiest defenses I've ever seen and KJ was playing injured, and Ceballos missed the Finals.

- MJ played in a tougher NBA?
MJ couldn't win until Stern listened to his complaining and changed the rules to make it easier for MJ.
MJ could not beat Detroit pre-rules change, what a tough guy
LeBron would have been a PF in the 90s,he would have obliterated that era, especially with no zone D


Not only did they change the rules for him, but he was allowed to get away with everything on both ends of the court.
And don't get me started on his final season, Jordan struggled physically so they bailed him out with free throws

That's a myth Lebron didn't drag anything. The Cavs got there by committee. Lebron was inefficient and his shot was erratic. He had a damn good defensive/rebounding team with players that chipped in at timely moments to get the Cavs to the Finals. And never mind the East was at its lowest point since...ever The Cavs were also fortunate playing injured teams in the first round (an already ty Wizards team that was even more ty with no Arenas and no Caron Butler ) while Jordan's Bulls were playing all-time great teams like the Celtics in the first round.

As for the team Lebron was "dragging", when he had off shooting nights (which were plenty) the Cavs were still winning games. Why? Because he still had teammates producing.


Game 2 against the Wiz Lebron shot 8/22 but no worries because he had Drew Gooden putting in 24 points (10/13 shooting) with 14 rebounds. Big Z with 16 points (7/14 shooting) with 9 boards, and 3 blocks. Larry Hughes with 19 points (5/11 shooting) and the bench contributed as well.

Game 4 in the same series Lebron goes 8/22 again but no worries....

Big Z is stepping up with 20 points on 9/16 shooting and a gargantuan 19 boards. Drew Gooden is chipping in with 16 (on 6/11 shooting and 8 boards). Larry Hughes is putting in 20 on 5/13 shooting. The Cavs complete the sweep

Game 1 against the Nets Bron continues with the cold shooting and goes 8/21 (in fact he shot like garbage the entire series really) and just about everyone on the team joins him in the cold shooting department except Gooden who puts up 14 points (on 7-15 shooting) and adds 14 boards. But the Cavs still get the "W". Maybe their defense should have been getting more credit.

Game 6 against the Nets Lebron goes 8/20 scores 23 points but Drew Gooden is there with a steady 16 (on 8/11 shooting) and 7 boards. Donyell Marshall blows up from 3 point range shooting 6/10 from deep. Ugly game from an ugly series.

ECF - Lebron basically has 2 great games against the Pistons in this entire series (Game 3 and 5). He couldn't throw it in the ocean in Games 1 and 2.

Game 4 he shoots 8/19 scoring 25 points. Drew Gooden is there once again with 19 points (on 8/14 shooting) with 8 boards. Boobie Gibson comes off the bench to provide 21 on only 4/7 shooting and 12/12 from the stripe.

Game 6 - an important closeout game because no one wanted to go back to Detroit for a Game 7. Lebron shoots 3-11 and scored 20 mainly from 19 free throw attempts (also had a nice all-around game working). Didn't have to worry about his off-shooting game though because this was Gibson's game. He scores 31 (on 7-9 shooting, 5/5 from 3pt, 12/15 at the line and 19 of those points came in the ing 4th qtr). Ilgauskas chips in 11 (5-9 shooting) and 12 boards.


So even though Lebron had horrible shooting nights in every series during the '07 playoffs the Cavs still found ways to win and got contributions from other players (and their defense) until they ran into a superior team in the Spurs and even then that series was compe ive.

[lefty]

^

Lol skipping the big games where LeBron showed up.

And MJ also had his no shows in the playoffs

[lefty]

Oh and DK also got bailed out by teammates and refs

[Koolaid_Man]

Listen OP.....if you're white, have a 36+ inch waistline, a cuck, a Spursfan, and / or a couch potato, and never played organized sports, there's really no need to even attempt to answer such a re ed question. If you're black and asking such a re ed question then just go to already ing moron

[Phenomanul]

Different defenses... Bron Bron never played in the handcheck era... Of course his offense would appear to be more efficient...

[jimbo]

Different defenses... Bron Bron never played in the handcheck era... Of course his offense would appear to be more efficient...

technically bron did play w/ handchecking. or even worse, legal zone + handchecking. 03-05?

[dfens]

Different defenses... Bron Bron never played in the handcheck era... Of course his offense would appear to be more efficient...

I agree, on the other hand it goes both ways, if allowed to handcheck, peak lebron would be the GOAT defender, hands down. Just crazy to think about it tbh, it'd be unprecedented.

Also lebron is getting calls but he isn't getting jordan calls. For me tbh it's easy to take jordan over lebron careerwise but peak for peak both 100% in the game lebron is more valuable, as he can switch anything, guard bigs, trap guards, play all 5 positions reliably for a couple of minutes (it's all it takes) and just give his coach an unfair defensive advantage. What he did last year defensively to golden state is still underrated, people see just stats not the rotations ... still, too bad lebron is inconsistent (jumper, mentally, personality), otherwise he'd be the GOAT easily.

[dfens]

technically bron did play w/ handchecking. or even worse, legal zone + handchecking. 03-05?

too young and on a too weak team to matter, you can handcheck all you want, on a team with ilgauskas, boozer and drew gooden as your bigs it will be pointless