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I didn't say the numbers lie. I said they're not comparable samples. It's obvious Manu had to lead the team against much tougher opponents while Tony hasn't.
It's unfair to Manu, and I also don't think it's Tony's fault.
Nah. The numbers don't lie. He had a great couple of games, but as a whole? Manu was damn bad this playoff run. And I love Manu.
Team shouldn't need him despite his massive high salary. He's old and on his last legs. But he still fights.
I didn't say the numbers lie. I said they're not comparable samples. It's obvious Manu had to lead the team against much tougher opponents while Tony hasn't.
It's unfair to Manu, and I also don't think it's Tony's fault.
But Manu didn't lead. Having a few good moments does not equal leads. If Manu played well the Spurs would not have been in tough spots. He came through, but his level of play has not been good (10 PER which is really bad) unless you adjust expectations.
Winning games is leading. Kawhi and LMA are clearly the top 2 players on this team, there's no shame in that and nothing to really discuss about it.
But your vets are out there to lead, and with LMA being specially awful and Kawhi going down, Manu has been pretty great (which doesn't mean TP hasn't been in round one, tbh).
That's why I don't get why bring up Manu in this thread when Tony is the one that has a contract for next season and is hurt...
Because injuries happen like Manu fans know. Im not writing TP off, when against playoff teams he showed out great. He may be done, but I'm not writing him off until I see it with his high level of playoff play.
Manu missed only one series his entire playoff career, IIRC (Dallas)? Plus one game against the Grizz? He's been incredibly durable in the playoffs, playing with a broken nose and broken arm... that's why I don't get the reference...
I dont know who has been worse...
Gasol or Aldridge.
Parker is probably a better player in his current state than both of those two, tbh.
indeed... nothing but dead weight!Between Parker, Aldridge, and Gasol.
Keep Parker and LMA but get rid of gasoft plz
I wish for paus career ending injurt every day
I guess the writing was on the wall when a 40 year old Vince Carter blocked his shot on a dunk attempt in the regular season.
BTW, Tony isn't going anywhere... that's sunk money. Hopefully he recovers well...
I thought mem d was the best
rockets he played 2 games
gs is better then mem but mem d is better
It isn't. Memphis ranked #6 in def eff, Dubs #2...
Looks like Lee is going to opt in now if his knee injury is bad. So there's that.
I'd be fine moving out Pau for anything not negative in value. Aldridge should be shopped to see what people are willing to give up, but don't think they will.
Lets stop the TP/Manu bickering. Both were extremely valuable this postseason in winning the Memphis (Parker) and Houston (Manu) series
I AGREE - Tire of the stupid Manu and Tony Fan boys fighting over who the think is a better player...Sad .
Softridge and Gasoft both need to go after this beat down they will be worse next year.
Yeah I think Tony is going to have a very hard time coming back from that injury his game is speed and this will have a major impact on that.
I think everyone on this team needs to be traded outside of Leonard, Dedmond, Simmons, Murray, and Bertans. This is sad
When your best two players are out, your role guys aren't going to look that good. Patty cannot suddenly get in phase with Dedmon and Bertans, and Pau and Aldridge cannot suddenly be the 1st option guys when they've been basically role guys all year. Put them against the best team in the league and the discrepancies are put under a magnifying glass. You cannot judge how well these guys will do normally by seeing how they do as 1st options. LMA perhaps, but the rest, even Pau, aren't even close to being at that level, neither is their pay.
You're right, we shouldn't assess their value based on this series. It's basically the worst-case scenario.
I still wonder if the Spurs might try to sign a bunch of short-term deals (Manu for 1 year?) and preserve cap space for 2018 when Parker and Gasol roll off the books. It would put their ceiling at a WCF exit but that was pretty close to the ceiling anyway.
If Tony can't come back, they can retire him and stretch that salary over three seasons. That's a little over $10M worth of cap space.
Pau opts out, and signs a 3 yr/$22M contract. That's another $9M worth of cap space.
Manu agrees to play for the vet min, and the league would pick up part of his salary. A cap savings of $600K.
Some other team offers Patty a big deal, and the Spurs tell him to off. That's about $3.6M (this year) that the Spurs could add to what they can offer another player.
There could be more money there than it looks like right now.
This looks like a draft where there might still be some late first round steals. Utah has a load of cap space, and two first round picks. Might be possible to make a deal there for LMA, and come up with one of their picks. Probably the 30, but if they pull some draft magic, they could wind up with two players on cheap rookie contracts - and still have enough cash to go buy a decent FA.
Even though it's not likely at all..what's the most cap space they can get if they move LMA, Parker and Pau opts out?
Just embrace the fact that LMA is a role player at this point. Get him shots off the pick and roll, let him shoot open threes, let him crash the offensive boards. He can still be a productive, efficient player that way. No more post-ups. Couple that with his improved defense and there's no reason why he should be considered dead weight.
That 3 pointer Gasol missed, and then he joined the Warretes scoring against us, traitor.
Didn't play poorly IMO. He didn't get the ball all that much (poor passing lineups with LMA, Danny, Patty and Simmons who was looking to score) and he still had 6 pts on 3/3 shooting, 5 assists and 9 rebounds in 20 minutes. Only a -1 while playing next to Lamarcus who was a black hole.
I am still a fan, it's probably better for his career to be traded. He's still a young guy and needs to compete and play.
But he likely stays bc Spurs have more pressing needs in the team and guys in a big slalary. So I think he stays for next season but then he's gone. I wouldn't blame him tbh.
What are they going to replace him with for the amount they will be paying him? Probably not anything better. So unless they need to move him to enable them to sign another bigger name player, I don't expect him to be going anywhere.
What they need to do with him is exactly what I've said for a long time - he needs to get with a strength coach and a "nutritionist" in the offseason, and settle into the 4. I still say he's not anything else.
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