Players getting tired of the "Spurs Way"...

[SAGirl]

Re: Murray, still hoping he goes to the staff and tells them he wants to play and that he knows what he has to do. And then goes on to lead the team to a SL le. But that's me 😂. Really think LeBron was talking to him about his play and what he needs to do to make it in this league.

This is him again saying the right things:

I am not losing hope with him bc he's still very young and apparently willing to listen. What he understands of what is being said we shall see in upcoming seasons, but he is willing to learn and open his eyes and point his ears in the right direction. The time spent this summer with Kawhi and Anderson will do him well I am hoping, not just bc of the training but bc he will see in Kawhi the discipline and mindset and he will see in Anderson the humble mind that needs to be receptive to criticism when things don't go his way. IMO sometimes hearing things from a younger guy around his age and a fellow player it's like peer pressure. I still hope for him. He's again just so very young. We shall see.

[TheGreatYacht]

Det culture took down the first superteam of this era and is the biggest threat to the current superteam.

Look I'd love to get superstars here but it ain't happening. We aren't forming a superteam of our own. I wouldn't compromise the culture and turn it into a player's team just so we can go from having a 1% chance of landing big names to a 2% chance. We'd just turn into another undesirable small-market like Sacramento in the long run with that approach.

We're probably the 5th biggest threat to Golden State as rosters currently stand, tbh.

Your way of just standing pat and being satisfied with being a 50 win team only works if Kawhi is 100% guaranteed to stay. Me and other posters don't think so. You don't think he gets tired of working 3 times a day in the offseason only to comeback to training camp and see no one worked on their goddamn games? LMAo showing up fat, Green still can't dribble, Mills still can't playmake, etc.

Eventually we'll be Hawks West and the championship contending aura will fade quickly.

[picnroll]

Minnesota and OKC found a way to build around their stars waaaaay better thru trades and signings. Meanwhile we're here handing out loyalty contracts and keeping unhappy mother ers who requested trades.

Those were players that got traded, not free agent signings. Let's see how long Paul sticks around.

[raybies]

This is him again saying the right things:

I am not losing hope with him bc he's still very young and apparently willing to listen. What he understands of what is being said we shall see in upcoming seasons, but he is willing to learn and open his eyes and point his ears in the right direction. The time spent this summer with Kawhi and Anderson will do him well I am hoping, not just bc of the training but bc he will see in Kawhi the discipline and mindset and he will see in Anderson the humble mind that needs to be receptive to criticism when things don't go his way. IMO sometimes hearing things from a younger guy around his age and a fellow player it's like peer pressure. I still hope for him. He's again just so very young. We shall see.

Really just needs to play with more substance and less style...

can't wait for the day Murray tries to cross Leonard and gets ripped every time and Leonard tells him to play smart. Will have me like...

[SAGirl]

Really just needs to play with more substance and less style...

can't wait for the day Murray tries to cross Leonard and gets ripped every time and Leonard tells him to play smart. Will have me like...

heh best way to learn right?

[FkLA]

We're probably the 5th biggest threat to Golden State as rosters currently stand, tbh.

Your way of just standing pat and being satisfied with being a 50 win team only works if Kawhi is 100% guaranteed to stay. Me and other posters don't think so. You don't think he gets tired of working 3 times a day in the offseason only to comeback to training camp and see no one worked on their goddamn games? LMAo showing up fat, Green still can't dribble, Mills still can't playmake, etc.

Eventually we'll be Hawks West and the championship contending aura will fade quickly.

Maybe 5th on paper. Not in reality though.

Other champions/contenders post-2000 have completely fallen off. We're due for a rebuild. If it happens it happens. I still want the culture intact in place regardless. Much better than banking on landing big names to make you relevant again. You keep propping up Minny but how long is their playoff drought again? That and Sacto is what the Spurs will be if theyre run like everyone else. A good stretch here or there, but mostly mediocrity.

[DPG21920]

Maybe 5th on paper. Not in reality though.

Other champions/contenders post-2000 have completely fallen off. We're due for a rebuild. If it happens it happens. I still want the culture intact in place regardless. Much better than banking on landing big names to make you relevant again. You keep propping up Minny but how long is their playoff drought again? That and Sacto is what the Spurs will be if theyre run like everyone else. A good stretch here or there, but mostly mediocrity.

Did you get a transplant into a reasonable posters body ?

[hooperflash]

Can we add Paul George, KD, and CP3 to that list?

[HarlemHeat37]

+1 on Fkla's post..the culture and Pop are literally the only selling points for FAs to join SA, tbh..they will never sign a superstar in his prime based on location, obviously..they need to find a superstar through the draft and sell him on culture or hope a transcendent player is born in San Antonio and wants to play for his hometown like LeBron did

I also don't understand the stupidity of posters comparing the Spurs to teams that made trades for big names by using lottery picks and assets they collected when they were bad..it's extremely difficult to build teams without experiencing down years to collect lottery assets, especially for a market like SA..

[Mikeanaro]

Im really pissed at Pop and his ty ways, but the humble working hard culture is more than fine, as others said here it would be sad to see SA as another ty small market team like Charlotte or Milwaukee.

The thing that bothers me the most is Pop´s stupid line ups and how he bench players that have potential, but he and RC are great developers on the other hand they should ask Chip Engelland a full refund.

[jehawk81]

You mean the Duncan Way? Timmy ain't around no more...

ElNono with the truth nuke. Tim was the once-in-a-generation foundation that was holding all the other pieces- including Pop, Manu, TP, det culture- together. Without Tim, Pop becomes just another Thibodeau & never instills the "Spurs culture" & quite possibly never rings, Manu prolly goes to Phoenix or Denver, & Parker prolly jettisons to NY. Heck, Kawhi wouldn't be who he is now to this organization if not for Timmy. You guys need to understand that Timmy IS the culture that Pop & RC get credit for. Tim made it all work. For as good as Kawhi is, he's no Timmy & it's not even close. This is not a knock on him, but a testament to what Timmy was. Pop no longer has this foundation to fall back on. I think this past season was prolly one of the best chances this team had post-Timmy to be great, as the "culture" mindset was still kind of there(& I think Pop knew it), but then Zaza happened. This culture thing the Spurs are respected for cannot happen without a Timmy, & for that reason I find what's happened this off-season unsurprising

[raybies]

Robinson doesn't get enough credit...

[sananspursfan21]

The thing that bothers me the most is Pop´s stupid line ups and how he bench players that have potential, but he and RC are great developers on the other hand they should ask Chip Engelland a full refund.

I would love to see an All-Former Spurs With Potential Team assembled. Maybe play the All-Star Weekend. Featuring Mensah-Bonsu, James White, James Gist, LJC, JSimms, ATol, and the most infamously clamored for: Mahinmi!!!

[BatManu20]

Using LMA as an example is dumb... he's mentally soft. That's not Pop's fault.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

And if that happens you can do us all a favor and become a Laker fan. I think that would be a net gain for this forum.

He's actually very narrow minded so don't try to let him think too much about anything

[Mikeanaro]

I would love to see an All-Former Spurs With Potential Team assembled. Maybe play the All-Star Weekend. Featuring Mensah-Bonsu, James White, James Gist, LJC, JSimms, ATol, and the most infamously clamored for: Mahinmi!!!

Lol multiple championships!

[spurraider21]

good for them. because aldridge was having great success in portland, simmons will lead orlando to glory, and dedmon is going to join a powerhouse in atlanta

the spurs are the best place any of these guys have been. maybe what they dont like is being under the actual pressure to perform with bigger stakes

patty doesnt hate the spurs way, diaw didnt, splitter didnt. and they're all champions

[TD 21]

See your looking at solely talent, I'm looking at high character guys that are Spursy and can play too. Can't discount chemistry. 2014 is a prime example. We overachieved on a grand scale. Players trusted each other. Starts at the dinner table.

I wouldn't say "players getting tired of the Spurs way", because it clearly mostly only appealed to certain types, most of which doesn't include the best players. Boiled down, it's too white for them.

Forming a team with the basketball IQ and chemistry of the '12-'15 Spurs will be at least as difficult as finding a team with their depth of talent. They're now in the same boat as everyone else: they need as much high end talent as possible and can't afford to be picky.

It won't happen, but they should be working the back channels on Cousins throughout the season and trying to sell him and Wall ('19 free agent) on re-uniting, with a chance to contend for championships.

[apalisoc_9]

I wouldn't play for the spurs if I have any individual goals. Post 2014, no one ever gets the credit they deserve. It's always pop and the organization.

I have legit sources that say this is one of the reasons why players dont like San antonio.

It's also one of the reasons why i think Leonard has ever reason to bolt in 2018.

[HI-FI]

Det culture took down the first superteam of this era and is the biggest threat to the current superteam.

Look I'd love to get superstars here but it ain't happening. We aren't forming a superteam of our own. I wouldn't compromise the culture and turn it into a player's team just so we can go from having a 1% chance of landing big names to a 2% chance. We'd just turn into another undesirable small-market like Sacramento in the long run with that approach.

Spot on imo. SA has a unique culture and history that seeps into the team. As much as Pop pisses me off, at least there is a foundation in place, I'd take that over a team that is flashy but lets the inmates run the asylum.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Really just needs to play with more substance and less style...

can't wait for the day Murray tries to cross Leonard and gets ripped every time and Leonard tells him to play smart. Will have me like...

Don't need Leonard for that when other summer league scrubs have been doing that to Murray.

[cutewizard]

Symptomatic of the materialistic Western paradigm

[spurraider21]

pop certainly has flaws... but what is the backup plan for those of you calling for his head?

everyone says rick carlisle. ok, are the spurs going to land rick carlisle? no. so what's your actual plan for when they fire pop?

[cjw]

You guys forgot James White. Jumps too high

[skulls138]

these high maintenance but "talented" players. Speaking of "trend", has anybody noticed that they mostly SUCK??? In terms of winning, being clutch etc.. Look at the egg Harden laid in POs!! Are we supposed to give a what the Carmelos of the world think? I thsnk God we have Kawhi (still a miracle), with him we need one other great player, that maybe we have in Gay, and the rest solid role players. Being deep is underrated.