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    I think the worry comes from the possibility when people start getting killed with shotguns and handguns next those will be banned
    Perhaps, but there is more of an argument to me made that those can (and should) be used for personal defense of the body or home.

    Why would anyone need an automatic assault rifle to defend yourself? It's not like you are on the front line of a war zone or fighting ing dinosaurs.

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    I don't think they are allowed to show bloody shot up dead bodies on national tv.
    Correct. The families could sue for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

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    I don't think they are allowed to show bloody shot up dead bodies on national tv.
    I mean even a covered body. You see that all the time on local news. Wounded? No way anyone in this forum can prove this happened. I realize it seems far fetched, but these events are used to further divide us along so many lines and push agendas.

    Im simply saying that we should hear and listen to everything but only believe what we know to be true. Americans are so naive when they talk about other countries being victims of propaganda yet never can accept they might too be victims of it.

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    I mean even a covered body. You see that all the time on local news. Wounded? No way anyone in this forum can prove this happened. I realize it seems far fetched, but these events are used to further divide us along so many lines and push agendas.

    Im simply saying that we should hear and listen to everything but only believe what we know to be true. Americans are so naive when they talk about other countries being victims of propaganda yet never can accept they might too be victims of it.
    This really happened. Don't be ridiculous.

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    Perhaps, but there is more of an argument to me made that those can (and should) be used for personal defense of the body or home.

    Why would anyone need an automatic assault rifle to defend yourself? It's not like you are on the front line of a war zone or fighting ing dinosaurs.
    True.

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    This really happened. Don't be ridiculous.
    certainly there is a better case to assume its real. I’m not rediculous, just curious to see who thinks it is plausible.

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    certainly there is a better case to assume its real. I’m not rediculous, just curious to see who thinks it is plausible.
    I know it would be impossible to fake 58 dead and 500 wounded at the south end of the Las Vegas Strip.

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    certainly there is a better case to assume its real. I’m not rediculous, just curious to see who thinks it is plausible.
    Another idiot. You telling me that all those videos captured using phones about this shooting were all staged? Ask anyone you know (if you know anyone) who went to that concert. Were they not shot at for 15 minutes hoping they won't be the next guy to take the hit?

    Total insensitive crap that you are spewing.

    Perhaps you need to visit the Las Vegas morgue or any of the funeral parlors so you can get a good feel of what reality is really like.

    I'm sure there's plenty of the 500+ wounded that are still in the hospital. Go visit them yourself.

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    I mean even a covered body. You see that all the time on local news. Wounded? No way anyone in this forum can prove this happened. I realize it seems far fetched, but these events are used to further divide us along so many lines and push agendas.

    Im simply saying that we should hear and listen to everything but only believe what we know to be true. Americans are so naive when they talk about other countries being victims of propaganda yet never can accept they might too be victims of it.
    You are a piece of garbage. I have friends who were in that concert and they lucky they came out alive. They had friends that also did not make it. So don't give me this 'conspiracy theory' garbage.

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    Yep. Even a pillow can be used to kill a person.

    What knives don't allow is for someone to mow down 500+ people in the span of minutes from the safety of a 32nd story window.

    I fail to see why any citizen needs anything more than a handgun or shotgun in today's society. And don't give me that "it's to stop things like this from happening" crap, because what good did that do last night in Vegas?
    The killer was a 64 year old guy who was comfortably retired. He was a pilot and had hunting as his hobby.

    He booked a hotel room days before knowing that there was concert. Brought in 10 different fire arms and set himself up to shoot people like they were fish in a barrel. He was wealthy enough to procure the weapons. Had no criminal record so he bought everything legally.

    How many other people can do the same thing?

    That's the entire problem here. You can go to a concert and just get randomly shot and killed because some random dude just felt that it was high time to start killing people.

    We try to make excuses in our mine that only a crazy person would do something like this. Only a person that is in such desperation. Yet we have this guy of privilege kill 58 innocent people for no reason.

    How would you like to die for no reason at all other than for some gun hobbyist right to collect fire-arms?

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    What guns was he using?
    Sounded like an MP5, based on my extensive CoD experience.

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    You are a piece of garbage. I have friends who were in that concert and they lucky they came out alive. They had friends that also did not make it. So don't give me this 'conspiracy theory' garbage.
    don't bother bro... dat bsfromtx is obviously an imbecile

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    It's not guns. It's terrorism, call it like it is. Guns don't kill people. People kill people, with guns (and other things).

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    fwiw apparently Daesh is claiming to be involved.

    According press release from Aamaq, author of the massacre converted to islam a couple of month ago. So far no connection proven tho

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    I am sorry you feel that way. In no way do I mean to be disrespectful or insensitive. You are 100% correct. I was not there. I do not know anyone who was. I have only seen what the “news”has shown.


    Staging an event like this would seem impossible, I totally agree. I use to feel the same way. You just blasted me for suggesting that this is a lie, yet you provided nothing to prove I am wrong. You insulted me and assume that I don’t care that that 500 people may have been injured. I would never want to disrespect anyone or their families, and I don’t see how questioning this equates to that.

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    I am sorry you feel that way. In no way do I mean to be disrespectful or insensitive. You are 100% correct. I was not there. I do not know anyone who was. I have only seen what the “news”has shown.


    Staging an event like this would seem impossible, I totally agree. I use to feel the same way. You just blasted me for suggesting that this is a lie, yet you provided nothing to prove I am wrong. You insulted me and assume that I don’t care that that 500 people may have been injured. I would never want to disrespect anyone or their families, and I don’t see how questioning this equates to that.
    OK, tell us how you think it could be faked. It's got to be plausible, otherwise there is no reason to entertain this.

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    don't bother bro... dat bsfromtx is obviously an imbecile
    Man, imbecile? I don’t blame anyone for thinking I am wrong, but why insult me? How is it disrespectful to question these things?

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    Man, imbecile? I don’t blame anyone for thinking I am wrong, but why insult me? How is it disrespectful to question these things?
    Questionning is one thing suggesting that this may be a lie is stupid, you are an imbecile for doing so and yes it is disrespectful.

    Also you are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you...

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    For the rest I should take my own advice and not bother tbh... silly me

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    Let me be clear. I am not convinced either way. I am not saying it is a lie, but I’m not certain yet that what we have been told is without a doubt the truth. Why is that so insulting to you?

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    Let me be clear. I am not convinced either way. I am not saying it is a lie, but I’m not certain yet that what we have been told is without a doubt the truth. Why is that so insulting to you?
    What else could it possibly be? What is the evidence it is something other than what has been reported?

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    horrible act horrible Clinton is blaming nra 50 minutes ago
    trying to get politics involved in the shooting
    And here you are 3 posts in totally not getting politics involved

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    Have you ever researched false flag events or hoaxes? You will find plenty of crazy off the wall stuff but you will also find some things that will make you wonder. Yellow journalism has been around forever and these times are not any different. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I certainly don’t mean any disrespect or to seem insensitive. I simply do not trust corporate media or our government.

    I believe that the truth is hard to find and I am certain I can not rely on Fox, cnn, or abc to provide it.

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    I wish OP had been in LV tbh

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    Have you ever researched false flag events or hoaxes? You will find plenty of crazy off the wall stuff but you will also find some things that will make you wonder.
    Not when it comes to this kind of thing.
    Yellow journalism has been around forever and these times are not any different. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I certainly don’t mean any disrespect or to seem insensitive. I simply do not trust corporate media or our government.

    I believe that the truth is hard to find and I am certain I can not rely on Fox, cnn, or abc to provide it.
    Great, give us something else to believe that makes more sense than the story we're getting.

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