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so self sacrificing.
nothing new here, he is saying the same damn things forever.. he will do whatever Pop ask him to do.. now it is up to Murray to show he is a starter
so self sacrificing.
I find it funny how ppl are mad that murray, who hasnt even played s full season worth of games yet...isnt on the same level as a hall of fame point guard...it is 6 games i to the season...give it time...kawhi couldnt shoot for when he came in...so there is hope...the biggest thing is that his defense and confidence stay up because those are constants...offense comes and goes
What the are you on about now? Kawhi was a superior shooter to Murray when he first came in. He worked with Chip for a few days before the lockout and came into his rookie season a decent/competent shooter. Kawhi didn't have a picture perfect shot, but he could still make them, so he did have a little bit of a feel for shooting. Chip tweaked his shot, told him what to work on during the lockout and Kawhi did it. He was a much better shooter from the start of his rookie season than what Murray is now in his second season.
Last edited by Ice009; 10-30-2017 at 07:34 AM.
Bro... What I wrote wasn't that complicated... Kawhi couldn't shoot for WHEN HE CAME IN...what u are telling me about was after he came in and worked with chip... Kawhi wasn't a shooter in college... Not even close... Tony Parker also couldn't shoot... Being slightly "better" at jumpshooting while still being complete at it isn't anything noteworthy... Thats like two rapists comparing sizes... They're still both rapists... So neither Tony nor kawhi could shoot, and over the years Tony became serviceable, and kawhi became elite... So im saying u can't judge a guy's career six games into his second year... When he has never even played a full season's worth of games, simply because he can't shoot... Things can change, and they can change fast with the right work ethic... I believe he does have that work ethic
The Spurs need Tony back, bench or no. He's still the team's best point guard.
Look, what I'm telling you is that Kawhi only worked with Chip Engelland for a few days and then had to work by himself for the rest of the off-season due to the lockout. He became/was a better shooter at the start of his rookie season that Murray is now. Murray's had one and half years to work with Chip on his shooting and he still sucks at it. He's still not as good of a shooter as Kawhi was at the start of his rookie season. It's not about percentages either. You could tell Kawhi had improved him jump shot if you see videos from his college play to the start of his NBA play.
Murray, I can't see any improvement, but it's still a very small sample size so I'll give him a little bit more time to see where he's at. I need to actually see him take some jumpers first, though. Murray shooting the ball has been pretty scarce so far this season. I'll give him some more time, but he's gotta start taking some shots otherwise he'll never improve if he doesn't take them. I'm sick of seeing those horrible floaters from him too. He needs to put that shot away for a while, or only take high percentage ones. He seems to subs ute floaters for when he should be taking a jump shot or no shot at all. That's a habit he needs to can.
SAgirl also brought up something that I forgot about and remember being mentioned here a while ago, which was that a poster saw Murray clanging all his shots in warmups before a game. That's not a good sign at all as most NBA players can hit shots during warmups. That rings alarm bells to me. He could be a worse shooter than even I thought. You might have to face the fact that he's a really bad shooter and might not improve a whole lot if he doesn't have a feel for it.
Last edited by Ice009; 10-30-2017 at 10:55 AM.
I wouldn't mind 50 sitting behind the bench tbh
Fair enough... I agree
Maybe then he can get some of Manu’s “advanced” stat metrics since he will be playing against bench warmers for the first time in his career.
Aww yeah, baby, 20 years,! new loyalty contract!
I better be ready to find an adequate sig for my bro dabom tbh...
It seems Tony won't play off the bench for long when he returns
Murray a int ready, an Mills is paid.... So Tony P is all we got left. Pop is to stubborn to send Murray to the G League an let Forbes run things.
Forbes is a #2. He will eventually get eaten alive as well.
The best thing for all involved is for Tony to start at PG if he is capable; Because Patty can't, and Murray is not there...yet, and that's a hopeful yet.
How come Pop doesn't chew into Murray like he did Tony?
Parker is done... Im amazed at how ppl think he is the savior... He was done last year... Play Murray... Parker wasn't ready in his rookie year either... We knew we weren't gonna win for a while with him starting, but it was the best decision... Benching Murray to start a worse point guard in mills is counterproductive... Murray needs to play with better Thayer that take the heat off of him... Put him in with the bench scrubs, he will get too much defensive attention
Disagree. I thought the best move yesterday was playing Murray against second string players to start out the game. He still turned the ball over at an alarming rate and got his stuff blocked, but he played better than he has the last three games. Start Mills and bring Murray off the bench.
Question... What rate do u consider Manu's and Mills' turnovers? Are their turnovers better since they been in the league longer? And what about everyone else that was blocked on the spurs? Them getting blocked doesn't count? What is it about Murray that makes everyone else get a pass for doing the same things?
He did last night. He's officially a Spur now.
Because he doesn't teammates' wives?
Murray has sucked at everything for a while now. Others can get passes for making mistakes because they do other things well or adequately. Murray doesn't do much more than board, and he almost always does that in places where someone else would have gotten the rebound anyway. Mills was an instant improvement as a starter (because Anderson ran the offense tremendously well last night), and Parker would be an improvement over that, even if he's not as good as he was in the playoffs. There a definitely stretches were Murray can play better than either can be expected to play on average. But that hasn't been recent, and it hasn't happened enough to drown out the bad.
Parker will be back in the starting lineup, and deservedly so..Nobody has earned it over him IMO..
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