Pau vs. Dedmon through 11 games

[MaNu4Tres]

A lot of people say Dedmon is a better defender on the perimeter, but that didn't seem to really matter in the playoffs last year. He was virtually unplayable against Houston and Golden State, two teams where a "mobile big" should have really come in handy.

No he would have been very playable. It didn't matter because he was sent to the doghouse after what he said to Pat Beverly game 1 and other locker-room issues. We never saw Dedmon unless he was thrown in during irrelevant mop up minutes.

[Chinook]

Dedmon sucked in a lot of games to end the year. He was in the doghouse for a reason.

[Russ]

So was every other one of his coaches then from high school to the pros

The coaches at USC considered him a head case . . .

[cd021]

Agree to all of this. What was the line "He knows how to play the game". Pau shoots .400 from 3, leads team in assists, blocks and is right on LMA's heels for rebounds while playing less minutes. He's third on the team in Per behind LMA and Rudy. Obviously, that's not a be-all-and-end-all stat. But he's hardly the trainwreck all these guys mad about his contract are claiming. Their agendas are obvious. If at his age he has limitation (mobility on the perimeter) and paces himself (especially with Pau being only 1 of 2 true bigs healthy now) I can understand that. Dedmon lost his starting role and was let go for a reason. His bball IQ is low, his hands are terrible. Pop sees them both in every game, every film study, and every practice. I trust Pop to make the right decision.

I have been impressed with his recent play. Passing, rebounding, protecting the rim and making mid and long range shots, his contract is horrid but at least he's playing well.

[MultiTroll]

Real Nigggga Dedmon November:
Min 23
FG% .696
Reb 9.0
Assists 1.1 who the f is he supposed to be assisting it to on Atlanta?
Points 13.8

Wed Nov 15th vs Kings
24 min 20 pts 14 boards 5 assts 2 blks 2 steals

Gasol
Min 25.9
FG% .516
Reb 8.4
Assists 4.4
Points 10.8

[Fireball]

lets hope he does not kill the Spurs on Monday like Simmons did with Orlando ...

[NameLess Scrub]

lets hope he does not kill the Spurs on Monday like Simmons did with Orlando ...

He will. Probably score on Pau a couple of times.

[NASpurs]

He will. Probably score on Pau a couple of times.

Probably teabag dunk Pau a few times just to show his dominance.

[duncan2k5]

No he would have been very playable. It didn't matter because he was sent to the doghouse after what he said to Pat Beverly game 1 and other locker-room issues. We never saw Dedmon unless he was thrown in during irrelevant mop up minutes.

EXACTLY!!!

[duncan2k5]

Probably teabag dunk Pau a few times just to show his dominance.

[rjv]

It seems like they come at particularly inopportune times, too. They seem to kill our runs or fuel those of our opponents - but that's just my perception.

not just him though. there was about a 2 minute window where in three or four consecutive possessions the spurs turned the ball over and the wolves scored on every one. it took a five point deficit back up to twelve in no time at all.

[boutons_deux]

Pau's role as a passing big man is way underrated here.

In the last two games, he's thrown 3 or 4 really bad passes into traffic for TO.

[SAGirl]

not just him though. there was about a 2 minute window where in three or four consecutive possessions the spurs turned the ball over and the wolves scored on every one. it took a five point deficit back up to twelve in no time at all.

that came in the 2nd Q and probably lost them the game. They had just gained a lead and were scoring without any problem, Pop benched Kyle for Brandon Paul propelling a run for the Wolves and didn't sub him in until the team was down by one point. AFter that the hot run continued but this time propelled by a Tyus Jones/Teague PnR/PnP defended by Pau and Mills that went just about perfect for the Wolves every single time, like 4 buckets in a row they got after the run they had just gotten out of the Brandon Paul subs ution/multiple transition baskets. Spurs never quite recover from that Wolves run. They won the 1st and 3rd Q, but really lost the game in the 2nd Q, in which they allowed 39 points to their own 19. That was game. They competed and battled after that, but never quite get over the hump. Questionable referee calls didn't help either.

[Raven]

atlanta is like last in the league..

[duncan2k5]

In the last two games, he's thrown 3 or 4 really bad passes into traffic for TO.

Against the Warriors... Thats death

[jermaine]

Dedmon is gone... Let's get the over it!!! He ain't coming back either....

[daslicer]

Dedmon is gone... Let's get the over it!!! He ain't coming back either....

I agree. This also applies to Simmons.

[MultiTroll]

ATL 102 Spurs 99 Jan 15th

Real Niggggga Dedmon
26 min
12 points (4-8)
10 boards
2 assists
1 steal

Pau
21 minutes
6 points (2-6)
5 boards
4 assists
2 blocks

Defense? I seldom watch 2018 Popped Spurs games. How was the individual D of each?

[DAF86]

Dedmon shooting 41% from 3.

[palangi]

Just anther example of poop and his poorly constructed roster. Dedmon should have been resigned

[DAF86]

And his advanced metrics:

OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: 0.6 - BPM: 0.7 - VORP: 0.4

Positives all across the board on a team that has a worst record than the Magic. TheGreatYacht and duncan2k5, see how it's possible for players to post positive advanced metrics on bad teams? You just have to be a good player.

[Ice009]

At one point during last season I wanted Dedmon back, but Pop ed him over and fooled me into thinking he's a total liability on offense, so maybe you can't bring him back because of that. Didn't allow him any leeway on the offensive end. Didn't allow him to shoot threes. Didn't allow him to grow or expand his game.

[pad300]

And his advanced metrics:

OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: 0.6 - BPM: 0.7 - VORP: 0.4

Positives all across the board on a team that has a worst record than the Magic. TheGreatYacht and duncan2k5, see how it's possible for players to post positive advanced metrics on bad teams? You just have to be a good player.

I agree that their are arguments for Dedmon vs Gasol: youth/potential development, contracts, and who can actually play against small ball/GSW. I also believe in honesty in statistics. Therefore, here are Pau's advanced metrics for this season to date:

OBPM : 0.2 DPBM : 3.2 BPM: 3.5 VORP: 1.5

Yes, he beats Dedmon in all categories...

Furthermore, he is shooting slightly better from the 3, .417 vs. 41.

PER 100 posssession, Pau is slightly better at rebounding 16.5 to 16, Produces MANY more assists 6.5 to 2.8, less steals 0.6 to 0.9, more blocks 2.2 to 1.7, less TO 3 to 3.2, many less PF's 6.3 to 3. Pau is however a much less efficient 2 pt scorer .473 to .628, primarily because Dedmon can easily get up and dunk, while Pau shoots bunnies and avoids contact. To be fair, Pau still draws more foul shoots per 100 possesions, 4.7 to 3.3, and makes them at a higher percentage, .798 to .763.

[DAF86]

I agree that their are arguments for Dedmon vs Gasol: youth/potential development, contracts, and who can actually play against small ball/GSW. I also believe in honesty in statistics. Therefore, here are Pau's advanced metrics for this season to date:

OBPM : 0.2 DPBM : 3.2 BPM: 3.5 VORP: 1.5

Yes, he beats Dedmon in all categories...

Furthermore, he is shooting slightly better from the 3, .417 vs. 41.

PER 100 posssession, Pau is slightly better at rebounding 16.5 to 16, Produces MANY more assists 6.5 to 2.8, less steals 0.6 to 0.9, more blocks 2.2 to 1.7, less TO 3 to 3.2, many less PF's 6.3 to 3. Pau is however a much less efficient 2 pt scorer .473 to .628, primarily because Dedmon can easily get up and dunk, while Pau shoots bunnies and avoids contact. To be fair, Pau still draws more foul shoots per 100 possesions, 4.7 to 3.3, and makes them at a higher percentage, .798 to .763.

Pau has been playing pretty well this season. The thing is that I would rather have Dedmon for his price than Pau for his.

[pad300]

Pau has been playing pretty well this season. The thing is that I would rather have Dedmon for his price than Pau for his.

Me too. That contract is not a good one IMO. Especially as you can play Dedmon against the Warriors, which you just can't with Pau's slow feet...