Owning a gun raises your insurance rates go upbecause it makes you more likely to die

[TSA]

OK, explain them to me when it comes to having guns in the home and suicide rates.

^^^
owns gun
keeps in another home
exposes suicidal tendencies

[Pavlov]

^^^
owns gun
keeps in another home
exposes suicidal tendencies

Exposes?

[DMC]

Not necessarily, but a bunch of the guys who did commit suicide probably had the same fantasies gun owners here express.

What's the probability they had the same fantasies gun owners here express?

If they had these supposed fantasies, is it a good thing they shot themselves?

[DMC]

Exposes?

What fantasies do you have regarding your gun? Be specific.

[Pavlov]

What's the probability they had the same fantasies gun owners here express?

I imagine it's difficult to survey them after they committed suicide.

If they had these supposed fantasies, is it a good thing they shot themselves?

I wouldn't see it as bad or good.

[Pavlov]

What fantasies do you have regarding your gun? Be specific.

None.

You just posted one of yours.

[DMC]

I imagine it's difficult to survey them after they committed suicide.

You made the assertion about their fantasies. You should therefore have that data already.

I wouldn't see it as bad or good.

Then why is it being discussed?

[Pavlov]

You made the assertion about their fantasies. You should therefore have that data already.

I used the words "probably" and "some" precisely because that data is unavailable for the reasons I stated.

Then why is it being discussed?

Someone has to see something as good or bad to discuss it?

Tell me all about your rules for conversation -- be specific.

[DMC]

None.

You just posted one of yours.

You said gun owners have fantasies. Since that's news to me, I was hoping you could enlighten me since you're a gun owner.

I can see you've once again painted yourself into an epistemological corner.

[DMC]

I used the words "probably" and "some" precisely because that data is unavailable for the reasons I stated.

Someone has to see something as good or bad to discuss it?

Tell me all about your rules for conversation -- be specific.

Gun ownership: Good or bad

Go

[Pavlov]

You said gun owners have fantasies. Since that's news to me, I was hoping you could enlighten me since you're a gun owner.

Had I said "all gun owners everywhere" you might have a point. You just posted one of your fantasies, so I don't see how it's new to you at all.

I can see you've once again painted yourself into an epistemological corner.

I can see you posted your fantasy where your whole family dies.

[Pavlov]

Gun ownership: Good or bad

Go

You didn't answer the question:

Someone has to see something as good or bad to discuss it?

Tell me all about your rules for conversation -- be specific.

[TSA]

Exposes?

Do you feel you’ve lowered your chances of committing suicide by storing your gun in another home?

[Pavlov]

Do you feel you’ve lowered your chances of committing suicide by storing your gun in another home?

Dunno tbh. It's fun watching you guys get defensive about guns though.

[Avante]

I've never needed a gun. And chances are if ya stay off the streets after midnight, don't go into obvious lowrent places, you won't need one either.

[TSA]

Dunno tbh. It's fun watching you guys get defensive about guns though.

When you chose to store your gun outside your home was ease of suicide a contributing factor?

[Pavlov]

When you chose to store your gun outside your home was ease of suicide a contributing factor?

Nope.

[DMC]

You didn't answer the question:

Someone has to see something as good or bad to discuss it?

Tell me all about your rules for conversation -- be specific.

You're worked up about it so it stands to reason you find it one or the other. Rational people don't get worked up over things they feel neutral about.

[Pavlov]

You're worked up about it

After the fantasy you posted, no one could be as worked up as you.

[DMC]

I've never needed a gun. And chances are if ya stay off the streets after midnight, don't go into obvious lowrent places, you won't need one either.

Like bars in Olongapo?

[DMC]

Are you simmering down?

Guns, good or bad?

Suicide, good or bad?

What is the insurance rate increase per gun owned in the state of Texas?

[Pavlov]

Are you simmering down?

Guns, good or bad?

Suicide, good or bad?

What is the insurance rate increase per gun owned in the state of Texas?

As I stated in the edit -- no one could be as worked up about this as you are right now.

[TSA]

Nope.

Why did you choose to ignore the suicide statistics?

[AaronY]

excellent debate

[Pavlov]

Why did you choose to ignore the suicide statistics?

Because that decision was made before I knew anything of those kinds of statistics. Couldn't tell you if it would've affected my decision back then.

When were they first publicized, TSA?