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You off.boohoo we have struggled. Boohoo team sucks... Bwaaaa let's tank
that's how you sound.
off, you guys are spoiled acting like Aldridge is Duncan or something. This guy wanted out last summer back when the team was an actual contender. An aging Aldridge makes no sense whatsoever to keep when this team is losing Leonard and needs a complete rebuild. Throwing the future away just to tread water as an old team struggling to make the playoffs is stupid. Since they made the playoffs, guaranteeing a much worse pick, the only assets they have to try to build a team again are Aldridge and Murray, and trading Murray doesn't make much sense at his age when he is likely to be at least low end starting material when he hits his prime.
You off.
that's how you sound
Based on forum expectations, it's already been a success, tbh..
A significant % of posters here said the Spurs would be worse than the Thunder, Nuggets and Wolves WITH Kawhi and a non-playoff team without him..
Wow you are wiseeee.....
I had forgotten the number of posters that said they were a lottery team without him.... Came close. Perhaps they are upset bc their expectations weren't fulfilled for the worse.
I have followed this team through a full rebuild before so spare me your bull . It worked out great because they got top level talent the only way San Antonio can: through the draft. That full rebuild was the foundation for the greatest era you'll ever see for an NBA team. There is no reason to keep an aging team together when it's only capable of being a very low end playoff team. Duncan is already gone. Manu will be too in 5-6 games. Parker has absolutely nothing left in the tank. Leonard seems like he's gone. There is no reason to keep a currently mediocre team with no future together when the Spurs have the best drafting GM in league history to build this team back into a contender.You off.
that's how you sound
You can wait to rebuild when Manu retires, LMA falls off a cliff and you find out what's up with Kawhi. As Chinook said team can fall off from the playoffs for real and then you can tank....
You can always tank anytime but you can't make the playoffs again and have a compe ive team any time you want. When you become the Mavs many seasons can go by tanking and not sniffing the playoffs again...
As I said, you can always tank, always but making the playoffs you can't take that for granted.
I think old time fans are really spoiled bc team got lucky with Tim and then Kiwi and they assume they will get that lucky again. But you aren't guaranteed that again and in fact bad luck is bound to strike the Spurs sometime.
I wasn't talking about 96, I was talking about 86, which is the last time the team did a full rebuild. This team isn't a contender with a puncher's chance at a le with Aldridge and no Leonard, so if Leonard's gone (and I can't see any reason to think otherwise given his act this year) throwing away the future to spend a couple more years in mediocrity is nonsensical. And holding onto Aldridge until he turns into Gasol is absolutely throwing away the future considering his trade stock is as high as it's ever going to be again right now. You can tank any time sure, but you could tank with extra assets for the future by selling high on an Aldridge who isn't taking you anywhere near contention anyways.
People didn't think this team was a contender with a healthy Leonard... So cliff diving is all too common here with a
spoiled spurfan. I am not happy about Gasol's deal or Mills. I thought they needed at least one great guard and Gasol was bad in Chicago with Jimmy Butler, so I thought he was done as an elite player even when They initially signed him. I didn't want him for that many more years. They tried to improve the guard situation through trades and it didn't work out, but I don't know that Leonard is gone and neither do you. And if it happens you can rebuild then, maybe you can still trade him.
I think he's legit hurt and will be back and Spurs thought for at least half a season he was going to play this year so tanking this year was ridiculous. As late as mid-march he was still in S.A. And hoped to play.
My concern really is for his career, that he won't play again. I know people dismiss his injury like he's malingering but he has no motivation to do that. But only after you find out he's done as a player do you do a firesale. You will get pennies on the dollar and face a long road ahead to rebuild anyways if it comes to that. It's not a lost season for me.
A tank is only as good as the talent in the draft. You can tank as you say, but it doesn't matter if the talent available to draft is mediocre-at-best. You actually said it yourself - you cannot assume you will get that lucky again - so you have to be strategic in how you tank.
So no, you can't always tank.
It's not nonsensical at all. Had Kawhi not been on the team at all, this season would have been fine. Sure, the idea of a le seems remote, but they would have won some games and given some nice moments. , fully healthy (not Kawhi) they would have clinched quite a while ago, and we'd be talking about what team would be coming to SA this weekend. THIS would be a great season for a typical NBA fan. You, for all your experience, are spoiled as well by a team that's only been under .500 for eight seasons in 50 years. Bragging about sitting through a three-year "rebuild" is hilarious. It's a complete is connect from what real rebuilding team go through. What makes it worse is that the Spurs happened to be in position to draft a true legend in their first lottery, which simply isn't something you can expect. Dave wasn't some wily pick. They get the second pick instead of the first, and that player pairs with Sean to keep the team in purgatory for a long time.
Oh the pain of missing out on like a mid-first in order have a couple of decent seasons left. How ever could they recover? Ask Sacramento if they'd give up one of their mid-firsts from recent years to be in position to play games in late April.holding onto Aldridge until he turns into Gasol is absolutely throwing away the future considering his trade stock is as high as it's ever going to be again right now.
I don't understand how not wanting the team stuck in mediocrity is being spoiled. And it was a four year rebuild, just like Philly's would have been if not for bad luck with injuries last season. Given that four year seniors declaring for the draft is incredibly rare now, I like the Spurs' odds better than I would have in the 80s rebuilding. Nowadays you can get that franchise player at #2 or #3 or #5 if you have the talent in the front office to spot the real diamonds, which the Spurs absolutely do. It's not quite the crapshoot it was then when you just had to get lucky and get put in position to make the obvious pick. If they didn't have Buford running their drafts I probably would say to hold onto those late playoff berths as long as possible, but as long as they don't lose Buford I don't think you're going to see the Spurs drafting Nick Stauskas, Jimmer Fredette, Anthony Bennett, Jan Vesely, Hasheem Thabeet, etc with their highest picks. Buford is the reason I'm not scared of a full rebuild when the alternative is only being an old and low-end playoff team with minimal young talent for a couple of years.
Draw Warriors in first round, step on as many ankles as possible.
Homecourt in first round of playoffs would be unthinkable for any other team in the league missing it's best player for 73 games.
As it is, the team has both over and underperformed. Should have won several more games if they weren't in a KKawhi-funkfor most of it.
I also think Spurs fans are spoiled by Duncan into thinking Aldridge is going to age like Tim did. Like Tim didn't just kill himself in the gym and in practice to be that player he remained into his late 30s and even his last year before injuring the good knee. I still remember an article from a couple of years ago (I think it was Express News but I could be wrong) where Aldridge was marveling at the workout Duncan was doing and wondering how Tim could handle it, to which Duncan replied you have to do this if you want to keep playing. To which Aldridge walked off instead of joining Tim.
This morning Jason Garrett of Arriosti Sports Therapy shared an interesting story regarding Aldridge on Mike Taylor's radio show. He said Tim and Lamarcus were working out together (doing one on one drills) and Lamarcus was exhausted. LA stopped playing and said something like "Man, I don't know how you do it". Tim said, "If you want to be playing when you're 39, you gotta work. Let's go." LaMarcus said "Nah, I'm done" and walked off the court.
We all know that Tim was/is a gym rat and one of the greatest of all time but I think this reflects poorly on Aldridge. Sometimes the body doesn't follow the mind and you end up being a blowhard. I wonder if he really he wants to be great or if he's willing to work for it.
i can see aldridge aging into knicks version of zach randolph
Knowing Kawhi out at the beginning of the season, success would be a top 3 draft pick in a 1997’ fashion
Why has this thread turned into a LA bashing when he is the only reason we've stayed afloat this year. Perhaps Aldridge just wasn't feeling good that day or was having a bad day in general. Happens to all of us. And I dont have any heart issues like he does.
Point is, he may have grown up some since even if he wasn't having a bad day of **practicing**
In my view, LA has earned his stripes.
Nice find
There's a lot to pick apart here:
1) The Spurs have a chance to be 14 games above .500. That's not mediocre. They didn't need much more luck to get to 50 this year. Only a spoiled fan thinks that's comparable to true mediocrity.
2) If you're counting a 35-win season, you may as well say it was a six-year rebuild with the 37- and 41-win seasons before that. Those seem like three mediocre years before the team let the bottom fall out.
3) It's not about how good the Spurs are at drafting. Players of D-Rob's caliber come out less than once per draft. So the chances of even being in position to draft that guy are really low. Robinson's relative impact is really getting short-changed here by a supposed long-time fan. You couldn't just swap him out with another All-Star and get the same result.
4) If the Spurs can find talent latter in the draft ... then they can just continue to do so without tanking. You simultaneously hold the view that RC will lead a quick rebuild powered by great picks but then dismiss their chances at finding another Kawhi, even though they'd have at least one really good pick just by trading Leonard in the first place. It's weird. It makes more sense to give RC a top-10 pick and asking him to compliment a roster than can win 50 games than it does to tear down said roster and ask Buford to do what he never has done before and build a team from scratch.
LMA is 32 right now. Who cares if he ends up being as good as Tim was at 39? The team just needs him to be good for two more seasons. That's their window, and they can make whatever moves around the expectation of 2020 being a potential rebuilding year. Aldridge should be fine until then. Also, you don't have to be Tim to have longevity. Pau is perfectly fine physically at 37 despite bragging about not working out.
nah. I am just appreciative of the team we have this season... at least the bright spots that there are... Manu is one among them, it isn't just Aldridge.
There will be plenty of time to be cussing if they are really tanking. That is my view.
I am tired of all the whining.
You want to be miserable? There are many teams that are tanking... Memphis this year did an admirable tank job and they play OKC tonight... should be fun for ya.
So Aldridge will flame out earlier than Tim because he lacks the character to work out as much?
You may be right, but I don't think there's that much fairness or justice in these things.
Aldridge looks to me like he could go on for a long time.
He relies not at all on athleticism. He already runs the floor like a dork in the rec league prancing on eggs s -- what has he got to lose there?
Likewise, his offensive moves don't rely on explosiveness but rather on footwork which should stay with him.
Even his D at the rim is more based on position and smarts than hops.
He's nowhere near as good as TD but their games do seem to have some similarity in terms of longevity.
you are being a revisionist like baseline bum... yea bc Kiwi turned out to be out the entire season you want to step into a time machine go back in time, trade aldridge and tank. that wasn't an option when they thought Kawhi would play... as I said a few replies above... even as late as midmarch he was trying to play this season. There is a lot of misinformation and BS put out in the media by rival GMs and competing interests for Kiwi's attention so you can't assume anything until chips fall where they may.
I much prefer fans like you... than all these bunch of whiners and self defeatists tbh... I don't know how else to describe all these
You're a dumbass. I specifically said had I known Leonard was going to be out for the season I would have traded Aldridge and tanked, which is what he was agreeing with.
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