There is No God (And You Know It)

**Triumph** · 10-28-2005

I think christianity only adds bull and makes your vision murkier. Good effort trying to scare some people with the thought of eternal fire, but that is just another useful scare tactic. The bible is full of .

yes yes, try pulling your head out of your ass and you might see even clearer...

the bible is not a 'scare tactic'. The Book is a recipe for salvation.

you have the wrong point of view my friend.

i can argue more, but let me go lick my nutz, it's my moment of zen.

**SpursWoman** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Nbadan

There's an old saying which goes that in times of war, there are no atheists in the foxhole. This is funny, but I think it philosophically relates to the very core of what religion means to most people, hope when there is no hope, prayer when there is little good, salvation when all is lost. It's a very empowering feeling.

Meaning to a otherwise mudane human experience.

Well, I'd certainly like to think that my loved ones as well as myself move on to something better when they die. That whole "decomposing and getting devoured by maggots" and then ...... nothing ...... kind of leaves me cold.

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

God is a Concept by which
we measure our pain
I'll say it again
God is a Concept by which
we measure our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in Tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in Mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in Yoga
I don't believe in Kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me...and that reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
the Dream is Over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
and so dear friends
you'll just have to carry on
The Dream is over

**Yonivore** · 10-28-2005

It always boils down to the question, "Where did matter come from?"

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Yonivore

It always boils down to the question, "Where did matter come from?"

What is matter? Never mind.
What is mind? Never matters.

**Triumph** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

I just believe in me...and that reality

so this begs the question...who are you?

a lost man with the beatles on your mind?

you can learn alot from the beatles if you know how to look.

Help (this is a song about needing the Help of Jesus, check the lyrics, see for yourself)

Yesterday (this song speaks about holding onto the pain of the past. it is a SAD song. we are not supposed to hold onto the pain of the past. learn what NOT to do from this song)

let all the pain from your past go brother. wake up. you are only dead if you choose to be. it's YOUR choice. choose LIFE. wake up...the sun feels great!

rub some sunshine on you face...today can be the 1st day of the rest of your life...

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Triumph

so this begs the question...who are you?

a lost man with the beatles on your mind?

you can learn alot from the beatles if you know how to look.

Help (this is a song about needing the Help of Jesus, check the lyrics, see for yourself)

Yesterday (this song speaks about holding onto the pain of the past. it is a SAD song. we are not supposed to hold onto the pain of the past. learn what NOT to do from this song)

let all the pain from your past go brother. wake up. you are only dead if you choose to be. it's YOUR choice. choose LIFE. wake up...the sun feels great!

rub some sunshine on you face...today can be the 1st day of the rest of your life...

you are so insightful

not!

**gtownspur** · 10-28-2005

^I wouldnt go about and act superior because you believe in what you only see. it doesnt take much introspection to come up with that.THE REASON YOU ARE AFRAID TO BELIEVE IN ANYTHING HIGHER THAN YOURSELF CAN BE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEATHLY AFRAID OF CONFRONTING SUCH THINGS. kind of like the same way the whole public would react if there were other Intelligent life from other worlds who visited us. ANd ofcourse there can be many reasons of cowardice and the fact that you enjoy not having to awnser for your wrong. This is no insight at all. SO take it, i'm sure it will not jog your brain to exhaustion.

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by gtownspur

^I wouldnt go about and act superior because you believe in what you only see. it doesnt take much introspection to come up with that.THE REASON YOU ARE AFRAID TO BELIEVE IN ANYTHING HIGHER THAN YOURSELF CAN BE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEATHLY AFRAID OF CONFRONTING SUCH THINGS. kind of like the same way the whole public would react if there were other Intelligent life from other worlds who visited us. ANd ofcourse there can be many reasons of cowardice and the fact that you enjoy not having to awnser for your wrong. This is no insight at all. SO take it, i'm sure it will not jog your brain to exhaustion.

You have no clue what I believe. I posted the lyrics to a John Lennon song not my religious beliefs you .

**Guru of Nothing** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Triumph

so this begs the question...who are you?

a lost man with the beatles on your mind?

you can learn alot from the beatles if you know how to look.

Help (this is a song about needing the Help of Jesus, check the lyrics, see for yourself)

Yesterday (this song speaks about holding onto the pain of the past. it is a SAD song. we are not supposed to hold onto the pain of the past. learn what NOT to do from this song)

let all the pain from your past go brother. wake up. you are only dead if you choose to be. it's YOUR choice. choose LIFE. wake up...the sun feels great!

rub some sunshine on you face...today can be the 1st day of the rest of your life...

Don't forget Why Don't We Do It in the Road, which implies that the truth is always found somewhere near the center, correct?

**Spurminator** · 10-28-2005

I hear the lost fourth verse of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" had something to do with the Crucifi... Wait, I probably shouldn't go there...

**gtownspur** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

You have know clue what I believe. I posted the lyrics to a John Lennon song you .

Dont be a coward and dodge from what you have posted before the stupid song.(as if you posted the song for just kicks.

) You said you dont believe in God, you believe in yourself. Live up to what you said. If i called you on it and i hurt your feelings, i'm sorry,...NOT! Grow balls you coward.

I bet your now gonna deflect my statement by claiming your all of a sudden agnostic.

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by gtownspur

Dont be a coward and doge from what you have posted before the stupid song.(as if you posted the song for just kicks.

) You said you dont believe in God, you believe in yourself. Live up to what you said. If i called you on it and i hurt your feelings, i'm sorry,...NOT! Grow balls you coward.

I bet your now gonna deflect my statement by claiming your all of a sudden agnostic.

Show me where I said I didn't believe in God

**gtownspur** · 10-28-2005

My bad, you said you dont know anything and dont care. But even at that your still acting like a tart to somone who was trying to show you how he sees it, and to anyone that was very assinine.

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

Show me where I said I didn't believe in God

gtown just got owned like the little that he is

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by gtownspur

My bad

at least you admit to being owned.

**gtownspur** · 10-28-2005

misqouting you doent cons ute being owned . Your just another brick on the wall. I wouldnt celebrate if you were all on my jock, and i cant see how anyone would brag about getting approval from you.

**Oh, Gee!!** · 10-28-2005

gtown just went on my Ignore List

**gtownspur** · 10-28-2005

IF it makes your life better, and it will help to boost your IQ along with knowing that your sperm donor has been promoted to fry grill at the Burger Tex, then by all means go ahead and claim victory. I mean you didnt win a blow up doll or anything but its a shiny day for you by all means.

**gtownspur** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

gtown just went on my Ignore List

No dont do that,.. (sarcasm) i'll miss all those man love emails you sent.

**Guru of Nothing** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Oh, Gee!!

gtown just went on my Ignore List

Live and Let Die is now the working Beatles reference.

**Mr. Peabody** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by gtownspur

^I wouldnt go about and act superior because you believe in what you only see. it doesnt take much introspection to come up with that.THE REASON YOU ARE AFRAID TO BELIEVE IN ANYTHING HIGHER THAN YOURSELF CAN BE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEATHLY AFRAID OF CONFRONTING SUCH THINGS. kind of like the same way the whole public would react if there were other Intelligent life from other worlds who visited us. ANd ofcourse there can be many reasons of cowardice and the fact that you enjoy not having to awnser for your wrong. This is no insight at all. SO take it, i'm sure it will not jog your brain to exhaustion.

I disagree. I think people who cling to belief in a higher power or an afterlife are deathly afraid of the idea that this may be it. There is no higher power looking out for us or making sense of seemingly random acts. There is no afterlife in which we are rewarded for all of the good things that we do that go unseen. We will not be reunited with our loved ones after death, once they're gone, they're gone. We are alone in a cold and dark universe that will someday itself die and then there will be nothing.

These aren't comforting thoughts and I think to accept these sobering ideas as your reality takes just as much introspection as believing in God.

So get off your soapbox and quit looking down on people who have opinions that are different from your own.
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**MannyIsGod** · 10-28-2005

Zak,

Perhaps you should leave the speaking out on Christianity to those who present it in a much better manner.

Sorry dude, but you're doing a really ty job and condescending Christians - intentional or not - such as yourself are a main reason why I will never put myself in that type of surrounding.

**gtownspur** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

I disagree. I think people who cling to belief in a higher power or an afterlife are deathly afraid of the idea that this may be it. There is no higher power looking out for us or making sense of seemingly random acts. There is no afterlife in which we are rewarded for all of the good things that we do that go unseen. We will not be reunited with our loved ones after death, once they're gone, they're gone. We are alone in a cold and dark universe that will someday itself die and then there will be nothing.

These aren't comforting thoughts and I think to accept these sobering ideas as your reality takes just as much introspection as believing in God.

So get off your soapbox and quit looking down on people who have opinions that are different from your own.

I'm sorry but as much as you spin it.. Eternal sounds much worse than non existance.

**bigzak25** · 10-28-2005

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Zak,

Perhaps you should leave the speaking out on Christianity to those who present it in a much better manner.

Sorry dude, but you're doing a really ty job and condescending Christians - intentional or not - such as yourself are a main reason why I will never put myself in that type of surrounding.

perhaps. but until i see another with the balls to speak the truth, i will carry on and carry the torch. but you are right, i am only beginning to see and i am still blind.

maybe i am doing a ty job. i will take your criticism to heart and concentrate on reading the Bible much more than I have. my intention is to bring non-believers, such as yourself, into the fold, not push them further away.

but why fear a condescending opinion? unless one has insecurity about their own self-truths. my opinion does not matter one bit to anyone but myself. as it is with anyone. as it should be. what you are saying is that you do not want anyone judging you and refuse to put yourself in a surrounding where you might be judged, in a surrouding, where you feel the people their will believe their don't stink.

i've got news for you. my stinks. i don't pretend to be holier than thou. i readily admit my ignorance, but it is something i don't like and something i will fight to overcome. i am not here to pass judgement. i refuse to pass judgement. i let peoples own words pass judgement on themselves. if it appears as condescending, then so be it.

i am a mirror. people can look away if they cannot handle the truth.

but i do love you, man. and i definitely respect you.

i know you have Good intentions, so please continue with any constructive criticism as I feel it helps me to post better.

I mean this sincerely,

Thanks.

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