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    People fall for this every time he puts a team out on the floor. They blow out some bad teams, beat a few good teams in the RS, and suddenly, they're 'contenders'. You cannot win a championship if you play indifferent defense. They'll always run into that better, two way team at some point in the playoffs.
    Their defense isn't that bad imo, what killed them was harden going iso every other possession and holding the ball for way too long.

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    Cucket's will not win. You can see the fear in James Harden and CP3's demeanor against them. They have no answer for a Curry, Klay, Green, and Durant combination.

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    I like the spacing that it provides. What I hate is Harden and all of the other 'kick a leg out' artists that draw cheap fouls and get 3 FTs. What I would like to see is that on a three pointer foul, you only get 2 FTS. That would put a stop to the dramatics, making offensive players NOT want to get fouled. It would cost them a point. They'll be interested ONLY in getting up a good shot quickly. You would still get a FT on a foul during made three pointer, so it would be dangerous for defenses to adopt hack-a-three, since offensive players will be trying to make the shot and not draw a foul, and instead of a possible 2 point possession on a 3 ptr miss, you're giving them a possible 4 point possession.
    Would never happen. Why? If a team needed a 3 to tie or win the game all you would have to do is push them for the foul. That would be exploited all of the time. That would eliminate excitement of potential 3 pointer game winners. It would also become a dangerous play.

    So at the end of the day the leg kicking and stuff may be gone.. but then you’d end up hating the guys who exploit the rule and push our players down on potential big 3 point shots.

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    Would never happen. Why? If a team needed a 3 to tie or win the game all you would have to do is push them for the foul. That would be exploited all of the time. That would eliminate excitement of potential 3 pointer game winners. It would also become a dangerous play.

    So at the end of the day the leg kicking and stuff may be gone.. but then you’d end up hating the guys who exploit the rule and push our players down on potential big 3 point shots.
    Did you not read any further? You still get a FT on a made 3 with a foul. Fouling becomes hazardous on 3 point shooters, because you risk a 4 point play if they make it instead of a 2 point play on just a foul. If you're three points up, a foul could cost you the game. Or, make an obvious push/undercut/collision on a 3 point shooter a flagrant one. 2 FTs and the ball.

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    Sprockets Win this one.

    KD due to miss a few shots
    Wont see Young hit 3 like g1
    Roxs take more care lookin after ball
    Less fouls chasing KD on floor.

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    Did you not read any further? You still get a FT on a made 3 with a foul. Fouling becomes hazardous on 3 point shooters, because you risk a 4 point play if they make it instead of a 2 point play on just a foul. If you're three points up, a foul could cost you the game. Or, make an obvious push/undercut/collision on a 3 point shooter a flagrant one. 2 FTs and the ball.
    Yes I read it. Dude that’s too much to officiate. The same way people found a way to draw those fouls is the same way people will find a way to make a foul look less hostile. Doesn’t even have to be a push. You can just hit their elbow. Can’t call a flagrant on that can you?
    Nobody will think about risking a 4pt point play when you can just hit their elbow. You ever got hit on an elbow while shooting? The chances of it going in go waaaay down.

    And even if it was a flagrant.. less than a sec left up 3 points and you get the flagrant. So you get 2 shots and the ball. Well what kind of shot are they gonna get up with less than a second left? A horrible one or no shot at all. I’ll take those odds.

    Either way this just wouldn’t happen.

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    Ride or Die tonight for the Lockets

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    The last game btw Celtics and Sixers Chuck and Kenny said it best on Inside. “This was a real NBA game, not some 3 pt chuck fest”.

    What the three pointer has become has killedi the game.

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    The last game btw Celtics and Sixers Chuck and Kenny said it best on Inside. “This was a real NBA game, not some 3 pt chuck fest”.

    What the three pointer has become has killedi the game.
    Through no fault of his own, Michael Jordan killed the game. Instead of working on fundamentals and traditional skills, everyone wanted to be like Mike. There have been less than 5 all-time great big men since Jordan's second retirement. The growing popularity of the 3-point shot was the nail in the coffin.

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    Through no fault of his own, Michael Jordan killed the game. Instead of working on fundamentals and traditional skills, everyone wanted to be like Mike. There have been less than 5 all-time great big men since Jordan's second retirement. The growing popularity of the 3-point shot was the nail in the coffin.
    Shaq,Duncan,KG,Dirk are the only all time great big men I can think of since MJ's second retirement. Shaq,Duncan are the only traditional big men with back to the basket post up game since MJ's second retirement.

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    Shaq is pre-Jordan retirement, at least as far as his emergence, KG as well. Dirk is not really a traditional big man. So it's Duncan, Gasol and Howard unless I'm missing someone.

    And it's not like Duncan had any influence from MJ.

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    Manu was not a superstar. From '05-'09 he only made one all-nba team and that was all-nba third team in '08. A superstar easily makes the all-nba team every year and is on the first or second team. I will say this he had a superstar run during the '05 playoffs but outside of that playoff run he wasn't ever really dominant. Spurs were a very good team but they were not a super team. Imagine if Duncan was paired up with prime Wade from '05-'09 that would have cons uted as a super team with Duncan-Wade being the superstars and Parker being the all-star.
    To be fair, Manu probably isn't a superstar, but it doesn't help that he's had to be a sixth man his whole career. He could've probably earned more individual accolades and scored more if he left for another team and behind Tim and Tony when it came to scoring. You got a point on how long he could do it though through a long season. We've already seen him carry his other team to some wins against a team full of superstar players though on Team USA.

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    Through no fault of his own, Michael Jordan killed the game. Instead of working on fundamentals and traditional skills, everyone wanted to be like Mike. There have been less than 5 all-time great big men since Jordan's second retirement. The growing popularity of the 3-point shot was the nail in the coffin.
    like MJ, right?

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    not just MJ but the league in general... it’s what they sell now. Teenagers and twenty somethings go nuts over the dunks and ankle breaking so that’s what they promote.

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    not just MJ but the league in general... it’s what they sell now. Teenagers and twenty somethings go nuts over the dunks and ankle breaking so that’s what they promote.
    MJ had an insane work ethic and was absolutely A + in all fundamentals of the game.

    the fact that your copies have failed (your closest copy was good enough for 3 les as a B and 2 as a A) it was not your fault

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    not just MJ but the league in general... it’s what they sell now. Teenagers and twenty somethings go nuts over the dunks and ankle breaking so that’s what they promote.
    MJ was extremely fundamentally sound. It wasn't him, it was Sportscenter. THEY would only show the dunks and flashy plays.

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    MJ was extremely fundamentally sound. It wasn't him, it was Sportscenter. THEY would only show the dunks and flashy plays.
    Agreed MJ had Duncan like fundamentals paired up with ultra athletic abilities. Wizards Jordan to me is the best example of how fundamentally sound MJ was. At that time MJ had lost most of his athletic ability but was still able to score 20 a game based off of fundamentals. He was till better than 80 percent of the league at that time. Which to me is impressive because a lot of guys fall of a cliff once they lose their athletic abilities ala Tony Parker,Kobe.

    MJ was great playing off the ball, had great footwork, bankshot, ball handling, pump fakes, fadeaways, good passing. All these skills I mention are all fundamentals and were a huge part of MJ's game but for most people his fundamentals are overshadowed by his great athleticism and dunk highlight reels.

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    MJ had an insane work ethic and was absolutely A + in all fundamentals of the game.

    the fact that your copies have failed (your closest copy was good enough for 3 les as a B and 2 as a A) it was not your fault
    Seriously, they probably weren't old enough to watch MJ if they think he didn't work on his fundamentals. How exactly do you get to be considered the best player ever by doing any less than fundamentals?

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    Seriously, they probably weren't old enough to watch MJ if they think he didn't work on his fundamentals. How exactly do you get to be considered the best player ever by doing any less than fundamentals?
    Kids are always into doing flashy things on the basketball court versus doing the fundamentals. Growing up during the 90's I remember everybody wanted to dunk like Mike and do all of his amazing athletic acrobatic plays. Kind of like now when I play on playgrounds I see kids jacking up 3's all the way from half court which I call the Curry effect.

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    Looking back at this decade it will be how two of the best three players tried to game the system. LeBron did the Super friends in Miami, then Durant joined a 70 win Dubs team. LeBron didn't want to beat DWade (who at the time was a top 5 player and recent champion), so he joined him. Durant couldn't beat Dubs, so he made them invincible and sort of ruined the NBA.

    The only thing remotely enjoyable about this is LeBron is going to be eaten by the very trend he started. Yeah, he got those Heat les, but Durant's move will block him for the rest of his prime, and keep a Goat contender stuck at 3 les. And he sort of deserves that fate.

    It will prevent LeBron from ever catching Jordan (and probably Kareem, though since he wasn't "cool' many are anointing LBJ better than him already).
    Totally agree. Had he stayed in cleveland, regardless of rings, he would have gone down as goat. Now hes barry bonds mark mcguire

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    Kids are always into doing flashy things on the basketball court versus doing the fundamentals. Growing up during the 90's I remember everybody wanted to dunk like Mike and do all of his amazing athletic acrobatic plays. Kind of like now when I play on playgrounds I see kids jacking up 3's all the way from half court which I call the Curry effect.
    Wonder why? Probably because the nba is entertainment targeted to 14 year olds. Yet everyone on spurstalk besides the trolls dont understand this. Which is why spurstalk is so fun. You have supposedly grown men blocking, melting down, arguing with and typing emojies. This place is gold and none of you comprehend the joke. Hilarious

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