you really think the president of the NBAPA would be ok playing for less? thats the an hesis of the labors union.
baseline bum
Why is it crazy to lose him? He has nowhere to go but down. He's peaked and almost certainly won't be a top 15 player in 4-5 years and maybe as soon as next year.
The Rockets can find a solid ballhandler and be just as well off. Nothing Paul brings can't be duplicated, it's just that he's better and more consistent at the skills needed to be quality point guard. Plus, the Rockets already have a primary scorer/ballhandler in Harden.
Thanks for gifting us LouWill, Beverley and Harrell for CP0, btw.
The Rockets won 55 without Paul. It was worth a shot but it fell just short one way or another. Time to dump the aging core and get younger.
I'm tired of reading about how this or that team would be champions if this or that didn't happen. What's the ing point? Are they going to relive this season and not injure CP3, and see how it goes with everyone else doing exactly the same things they did with CP3 injured?
Losers whine too much.
The most effective tactic available to NBA teams not named Golden State Warriors is to try to pilfer glue guys from the Warriors. I don't know why teams are trying to build a poor man's version of the GSW. It won't get you there. It might if it was a one game contest, but in a series a team that has a gimmick will be cornered and defeated when the gimmick is thwarted. GS doesn't have a gimmick. They just beat the living out of you with superior shooting and that leads to positive at udes which leads to better defense.
You have to go after the Warriors other players, use the Nash equilibrium strategy (not Steve Nash).
Would Houston have beaten Golden Showers with CP0?
1. No one was beating WarriorRef in Game 6.
2. Well known choker Paul was going to get the monkey off his back in Game 7? I dunno. Certainly not a given.
So to give him a max and have him pull yet another choke next year and years after? Epic fail.
One year contract is all Houston should offer CP0.
Bogut would be a great replacement for Capela should he leave, if Bogut wanted to come back to the United States.
Paul could have gotten them some easy shots during GSW's 3rd quarter flurry/ Rockets brickfest. Instead of being down 7, each game could have been closer to tied going into the fourth.
ROFL. Yeah some lower level point guard is going to win you Game 5 against Golden State when Harden s the bed. And your Capela replacement is Bogut?
Harden couldn't even beat Aldridge and he's leading you past Golden State? Right.
The Rockets got close to stealing Iguodala, but the Warriors met his asking price at the last minute. Thompson isn't a free agent for another year. Durant's already re-signing. Green isn't a free agent until 2020. Curry not until 2022. No one else on that team matters at all.
baseline bum
That's not the point, Paul is not going to be what he was during most of his career going forward. It's ignorant to pay max money to a declining star player. They can still be a sleeper in the West without Paul. They were last year, winning 55 games and winning a playoff series.
And based on that guy's post, I merely suggested Bogut. They just need a guy who can get 10 rebounds regularly and maybe finish around the basket, that's what's realistic when it comes to replacing Capela.
Last edited by Caltex2; 06-08-2018 at 08:43 AM.
Declining stars get paid. It happens. That’s just the way it is. That’s how teams keep or acquire stars. If you don’t pay a star, another team will. It happened with Hakeem. He was getting what at the time was essentially max money three years after he had fallen off. Stars get paid, declining stars get paid. Just because you want your team to go cheap, it doesn’t mean a star player should give you a discount. Why should Chris Paul do that when the vast majority of stars don’t? Duncan and Dirk are exceptions.
And you severly underrate Capela’s value. It’s not only rebounding or finishing around the rim. Capela is the main reason the Rockets were able to switch everything, particularly in the playoffs against better teams. He could play perimeter scorers up all the way to the three point line and still stay in front on drives. And he still provided help defense. You’re not just going to easily replace that. You need to find a Kevin Garnett in his prime type of big man defender... as if Bogut or any cheap big could do what Capela did for Houston’s team defense.
Your evaluation of Capela’s value is not realistic.
You're acting like Paul is 35 or 36. He just turned 33 a month ago and probably still has 3 or 4 good seasons in him before he falls off a cliff. They're not going to be a sleeper in the West without Paul. We have seen time and again that Playoff Harden isn't the same player as Regular Season Harden. I can't imagine throwing away a great shot at a le in the next three years because you're afraid of overpaying a guy in Year 4. Might as well just trade Harden and blow up the entire team if you're not going to go for a le right now because Harden ain't gonna take you to one by himself and what bigtime FA is going to go there after seeing Paul get lowballed? You get cheap with Paul and he and LeBron are going to the Lakers to form another superteam that'll take out your sleeper in the first round.
Counterpoint: he's 33 and already guaranteed to miss significant time with injuries in the playoffs every year and often in the regular season too. Just imagine how bad it will be when he is 35 or 36 and still getting paid like he's in his prime.
A smallish guard with a history of injury at 33 doesn't represent a max value investment in the NBA, no matter how good he is. It is actually very likely that he will soon fall off a cliff. If they overpay, they do so on the basis that they go all in for next 1-2 seasons and try to win a championship here and now, while conceding that there were no better options. A 36 year old CP sure as is not leading them to the promised land if he can't do it at 34.
The good think for the Rockets is that they can explore other options because it's not like there is market for max contracts for CP, no matter how deluded he is. In fact the only teams who will do it are the ones that are so desperate to win now, that they are willing to overpay. And those teams are essentially either the Rockets or Cleveland, if they keep LeBron. And if LeBron were willing to take the riks of playing with CP3, than playing alongside Harden is a better option.
Sixers and Celtics are not ruining their future and flexibility for CP3, and no other team is close enough to take such a risk.
You and caltex are ignoring the under the table agreement made to get Paul to Houston in the first place ...which had to be promised.
And ...
Do the Rox wanna piss off the Prez of the NBAPA and his reprsentation by not giving him his money? You think that wont impact future signings and deals?
You don't think Magic would hand Paul a max deal? Especially since it would bring LeBron too?
Explains his 0-11 in Game 7?
I am not inside LeBron's head but if winning and legacy is what he cares about, there is no way that he goes to LA, especially with CP3 as his sidekick. There are many better options available to him. Even Paul George at this point doesn't seem like good enough to help him beat the Warriors.
If they did really promise him that, than we are about to find out because CP3 doesn't justify that investment otherwise.
On this, we agree. Im not saying I would give him that $ ...just saying no way CP3 goes to houston without the understanding he would be taken care of, come FA ...
SB nation outlined it here
Daryl Morey knew the only way he could get Paul was to convince him to opt in to the final year of his contract and then trade players directly to the Clippers to acquire him. This was a scenario few considered. Now, it’s happening.
How long will Paul stay a Rocket? Probably a long time
Technically, Paul is only making a one-year commitment to the Rockets. He can become a free agent again next summer and command the same maximum contract on the open market that he bypassed this year to facilitate this trade.
But there are ways the Rockets can work around that to keep Paul around for the long haul.
The most obvious is to agree to a wink-wink arrangement and agree to pay Paul a full five-year maximum deal next summer. Because Paul is being traded rather than signed, the Rockets would retain his Bird rights.
I think most NBA insiders agree this wa show the deal was done ...will ROx have the stones to back out of that deal or Paul be a saint and accept waaaay less so Rox can try to stengthen team? Doubtful.
Best case for Rox fan is they bring the band back together ...including Capela.
Going to play with CP3 in LA would easily be James' best option to win now. It would be a huge upgrade over Cleveland and I don't think LeBron could play in Philly. Moot point since the Rockets will probably throw a four year max deal at CP3.
Who are the REAL max players?
LeBron (duh)
Healthy Kwa
Greek Freak
thats it.
Borderline
Anthony Davis
no way in :
Durbetta is a ref aided system joke.
Curry too inconsistent.
Lebrin and Durant yes
Davis yes and ahead of kiwi who just missed a year ...
kiwi yes
harden yes
Russ yes
Steph yes
freak ...yes but i have concerns ...
after those guys others will still get it but none truly deserve it ...
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