Roster

[mo7888]

Beal would be amazing, but I do t think we have the juice for it to happen. I actually had hoped WAS would do a DeRozen type trade around him but alas. Don’t know enough about Potter but he seems way overpaid for too many years.

Carroll is interesting, but since he’s an expiring Brooklyn would probably want an asset to take on Pau’s money. Maybe a future second does it?

I think you're right on the Carroll price tag. On beal/porter, I don't think either are available now but I do think one will be closer to the deadline. If they are significantly behind the top teams in the east I don't think the or owner will want to stay over the cap. I could see something like pau+a 2nd to Sacramento for space and mills + a 1st to Washington and either Beal or porter to the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

I would absolutely do Pau + TOR pick for Carroll + 2nd round pick

[CGD]

I’m interested to see what happens with Middleton. Not sure we have the parts to get it done, but he is opting out for a bigger payday next season. If bucks get a sense he wants out, they might want to act sooner rather than later before they have their own “one year rental” diminishing trade value situation.

[CGD]

I would absolutely do Pau + TOR pick for Carroll + 2nd round pick

That seems about right to me.

[paperboy77]

Derozen is a pretty badass shooter from inside the arc. I really don't see a way around it though. I do think derozen should slide to the 3 and let either white or walker run the 2. Why not? between 2nd team all nba defender and white at the 2 it should work.

Murray (he's kinda like Green was... has to be a starter because off the bench you don't really need steady other than Manu, you need energy)
White (have to use him like Portland uses McCullum and let him play.)
Derozen
LA
Metu (hoping for this guy. or else Pau. Metu has shown to have good basketball instincts and really good hands. it pop give him a shot let him prove you otherwise)


Manu
White
Mi.... wow our roster is pretty ed up. Whatever!

[HarlemHeat37]

I remember how happy Raptors fans were to break up Gay and DeRozan now we're here trying to convince ourselves that it's a workable duo..

[SAGirl]

Some people just don't understand the importance of SF in today's NBA. IMO is the key position to winning the championship. Doesn't matter how great your PG, SG, and PF/C are because they are either too short (PG/SG) or too slow (PF/C) to guard elite SF on the perimeter. On the defensive end elite SF can guard pretty much 1-4 when the game goes inevitably small in the 4th quarter.

Instead of loading up on them Spurs lost all if their starters and backup SF in one fell swoop. It's why guys like objective have been upset J.Simms was let go. Depth wing that we lost on a very small deal, Kyle the same, Kawhi and Danny in the same day. Everyone starter or backup that had credibly plays the spot the past couple if seasons at least is gone.

[DPG21920]

I remember how happy Raptors fans were to break up Gay and DeRozan now we're here trying to convince ourselves that it's a workable duo..

Not that Gay! Nooooo

[rj215]

Didn’t david Aldridge say the spurs were gonna trade for another allstar if kawhi committed but went haywire. What was that trade, is it still available? Lma, derozan and some allstar, go for it

Could we package the Raptors pick, our 2019 pick and Pau or Patty to get someone decent?

[TheGreatYacht]

Starters:
Poeltl
Aldridge
DeRozan
Belinelli
Murray

Bench:
Gasol
Bertans
Gay
Mills
White

Garbage crew:
Metu
Cunningham
BP3/other
Walker
Forbes

IMO... Only way the defense doesn't take a drop tbh 3/5 starters are good-to-great defenders

[DJR210]

Hoping Murray really develops this season.

It's put up or shutup this season for Murray.. Spurs need to see more than pictures of training and inspirirational quotes on his twitter.. All defense team and Parker shipping out is a solid building block.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

As the roster is constructed, one has to imagine DeRozan, Belinelli and Ginobili will have to spend time at SF if no additional move is made. The Spurs have eight players who's best position could end up being SG: DeRozan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Forbes, Mills, White, Walker and Paul. Nine if you think Murray doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a full-time point guard.

Unfortunately, it feels like return to the era between about 2008 and 2012 when the Spurs desperately needed a long, defensive-minded, three-point shooting small forward to balance the roster.

I remember all the threads about the need for “long 3” from those seasons. I guess I’ll have to dust them off. Those were some frustrating playoffs.

[heyheymymy]

Murray/Mills/White
DeRozan/Ginobili/Forbes
Gay/Belinelli
Aldridge/Bertans/Cunningham
Gasol/Poetl

[ElNono]

When you look at this roster, it's a big upgrade from last season, tbh...

Kawhi didn't play much at all, so DeRozan is just a great upgrade. We have a much better team/off-the-ball player and shooter in Beli replacing the Green/Kyle combo.

Murray, Bertans and Forbes will have another year under their belts, which is part of the progression.

White looked good, even though it's early to overrate him. Poetl is intriguing when Pau start showing some menopause. Cunningham is probably the guy that doesn't move the needle, but if Manu doesn't come back, he's another vet to mentor the kids.

I know the biggest 'issue' will be defense, but in all honesty, last season's team was already pretty horrible in that aspect (once you start playing Mills, Pau, Forbes, you're automatically giving up a hole in your D), and this roster makes a lot more sense to win by outscoring opponents. There's younger legs, players that know how to move without the ball and can make you pay for it, another guy that can create his own shot so the onus isn't all on LMA...

In this league with the current rules, it has become so difficult to stop the 3 point ball or dominant scorers like KD, you almost gotta keep up with them scoring-wise.

I'm a guy that always has been defense-first, but in all honesty, I don't think I can even list 2 guys that can consistently stop guys like KD or Harden from scoring at will. There's no more grabbing, pushing, getting into the player's head. Even an attempt at reaching gets whistled like crazy these days.

[YGWHI]

If Chip can turn into a 44% 3 point shooter at 30 yrs old, Im optimistic about DeRozan improving.

Work ethic isn't his problem.

I don't think he needs too much help, just a bit more self confidence.

DeMar has shown he can shoot 3's last season.

"In his past eight games, he has shot 25 for 38 from behind the arc (65.8 percent) with back-to-back games of at least five made three-pointers, installing him as the first player to make at least half of his three-point field-goal attempts and all of his free-throw attempts with at least eight attempts in each category in consecutive games since the NBA ins uted the three-point shot in 1979-80."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.1365eaf36a33


Just needs to do this a whole season.

[r0drig0lac]

Some people just don't understand the importance of SF in today's NBA. IMO is the key position to winning the championship. Doesn't matter how great your PG, SG, and PF/C are because they are either too short (PG/SG) or too slow (PF/C) to guard elite SF on the perimeter. On the defensive end elite SF can guard pretty much 1-4 when the game goes inevitably small in the 4th quarter.

you are correct, and that is why a team with Lebron, Kawhi and PG13 would be IMPOSSIBLE to be defeated in this league

[LkrFan]

As it stands currently. Looks like we'll see a move or two to clear up the guard situation. Maybe the plan is to use a three guard lineup to fill in for the lack of a real backup 3. Unless something changes Paul and Cunningham will be battling it out for the 15th spot.

Starters
1 Murray
2 DeRozan
3 Gay
4 Aldridge
5 Gasol

Bench
1 White
1/2 Mills
2 Belinelli
2 Forbes
2 Ginobili
4 Bertans
5 Pöltl

IR/Austin/Etc
2 Walker
2 Paul
3/4 Cunningham
5 Metu

40 year old Manure is still your best SG

[lebomb]

White is a better shooter than Murray

[YGWHI]

you are correct, and that is why a team with Lebron, Kawhi and PG13 would be IMPOSSIBLE to be defeated in this league

This shows how stupid is Magic, the Lakers could have the three guys this offseason.

Buuuut they did enough to make PG13 feel disrespected/didn't want to give one or two of their talented young assests for Kawhi...What a stupid franchise.

[DPG21920]

This shows how stupid is Magic, the Lakers could have the three guys this offseason.

Buuuut they did enough to make PG13 feel disrespected/didn't want to give one or two of their talented young assests for Kawhi...What a stupid franchise.

Serioulsy dumb franchise. There is such immense pressure on Ingram to be a star now. If he does not make a huge jump to an all-star, they may end up never making a finals with Lebron because they didn’t take a bird in the hand (2 superstars in Kawhi / PG).

[MoSpur02]

Darrell Arthur should be available soon. Would be a solid pickup

[Lebowski Brickowski]

I remember all the threads about the need for “long 3” from those seasons. I guess I’ll have to dust them off. Those were some frustrating playoffs.

Kawhi was really the golden goose "Derrick McKey" type that Pop had been looking for since around 2006.

[Dex]

Murray/Mills/White
DeRozan/Ginobili/Forbes
Gay/Belinelli
Aldridge/Bertans/Cunningham
Gasol/Poetl

If Murray has really improved his shooting to serviceable levels, this would be my preference.

If not, may have to swap Gay and Beli to give the first unit some shooting/spacing and give the bench unit a scoring punch.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

When you look at this roster, it's a big upgrade from last season, tbh...

Kawhi didn't play much at all, so DeRozan is just a great upgrade. We have a much better team/off-the-ball player and shooter in Beli replacing the Green/Kyle combo.

Murray, Bertans and Forbes will have another year under their belts, which is part of the progression.

White looked good, even though it's early to overrate him. Poetl is intriguing when Pau start showing some menopause. Cunningham is probably the guy that doesn't move the needle, but if Manu doesn't come back, he's another vet to mentor the kids.

I know the biggest 'issue' will be defense, but in all honesty, last season's team was already pretty horrible in that aspect (once you start playing Mills, Pau, Forbes, you're automatically giving up a hole in your D), and this roster makes a lot more sense to win by outscoring opponents. There's younger legs, players that know how to move without the ball and can make you pay for it, another guy that can create his own shot so the onus isn't all on LMA...

In this league with the current rules, it has become so difficult to stop the 3 point ball or dominant scorers like KD, you almost gotta keep up with them scoring-wise.

I'm a guy that always has been defense-first, but in all honesty, I don't think I can even list 2 guys that can consistently stop guys like KD or Harden from scoring at will. There's no more grabbing, pushing, getting into the player's head. Even an attempt at reaching gets whistled like crazy these days.

They'll score the ball better for sure, I think, but the loss on defense is bigger than you say. Danny Green was the defensive cornerstone, teamwise and individually. His absence is going to be felt in team sets and in transition equally. Kyle led the team in Def win shares and DBPM. The defense is going to be ugly on the wings. Spurs will have to address that. Cunningham might end up being everyone's most hated player who plays way too much if PATFO actually has to use him as the solution.

[DPG21920]

There are a few wings available if SA is willing to trade Pau or Mills (likely Pau due to contract being more favorable) and a pick. I personally value 3/D type wing vs someone who plays no defense but also is truly a one year deal:

Wilson Chandler
Demarre Caroll

Both guys fit the mold and I think both could be had if SA is willing to move Pau + a pick. It would give SA a starting 3 or a damn good backup 3, help win more this year and clear an extra 6M off the books next off season by moving Pau.

BKY is stockpiling picks, SA has them and I really hope they are on the horn with BKY about Carroll