Are there any Forbes apologists left?

[MultiTroll]

Yeah, this whole "Forbes is cheap and Murray is injured" excuse doesn't hold water. A plan B in dealing with injuries has to be better than Forbes. You don't throw your arms up in the air and settle for less when you're a proud, Championship franchise. Forbes costs nothing but produces nothing and you can't have such an empty void chucking shots he has no business taking on a roster with 2 All-Star caliber players.

This.
And with tons of players trying to make an NBA roster, doing the charity thing with Forbes is bull .

[sasaint]

We still do not have a true SF on the team. It is crazy that the Spurs never addressed the issue. DDR is a SG. Gay and Bertans at this point play the PF better. We need a true SF that could play some defense instead placing Forbes into the lineup and moving players around. He does not need to be a star, just serviceable on defense.

Everything start with your top paid players, worst 50 million duo ever. Forbes costs nothing. I only have a problem with the 50 miilion guys, Gasol and Mills. I dont even think of Forbes. He plays because Murray and Walker were Mr glass 2.0 and in theory he can stretch the floor(he can't). Two many holes that cost significantly more before i go to Forbes is all i'm trying to say.

[Hoops Czar]

Forbes costs nothing but produces nothing and you can't have such an empty void chucking shots he has no business taking on a roster with 2 All-Star caliber players.

This. You get what you pay for. Forbes is barely functional. When he isn't knocking down jumpshots, he's beyond useless. Just because he's cheap doesn't mean he deserves a roster spot.

[FkLA]

I keep seeing this rationale of Murray being hurt. Well, that happened before the season even began. Should teams just throw their arms up and say, "Oh well, nothing we can do about it now!" instead of addressing the weak area? Do you see how poorly Forbes is as a starter and not do anything about it, standing pat? Is that the solution? If every team did that, there would be no such thing as trades and every team would just wait in the offseason to improve a roster. Also, this whole bull about him being cheap isn't an argument to start him. It's not his fault "a series of events" have placed him in a bigger role than was originally planned, but it's his fault for being arrogant enough to take as many shots as your second best player on the team, who was shooting well in the game. And it isn't an isolated event. He pulls this routinely. He has one of the worst RPM of any starting guard in the league and considering his MPG, it's more of a detriment compared to other players with bad RPMs. As to who would start over him? Mills would be the lesser of two evils, tbh.

-The Spurs rarely make trades, especially during the season. Yeah it sucks and it's frustrating but how exactly is that on Forbes?
-Mills has good synergy with the bench unit. Why disrupt that just because of your deep rooted hatred for Forbes?
-Who said him being cheap makes him a good starter? Ideally, he should have taken Paddy's spot for a fraction of the cost.
-timvp already pointed out that he's currently 6th in usage percentage and will finish 7th by the end of the year. Yeah, he shoots too much some games (you can say the same for every other player) but overall he's right around where he should be.

[gambit1990]

was never a fan. glad he upped his trade value but the deadline has passed...

[FkLA]

Also, he has produced plenty. Cherry picking recent bad games to say he hasn't produced at all is weak. It's also really pointless and dumb to have so much negative stuff to say about an 8th-10th man that makes so little. It's like when people used to have it out so bad for Bonner. These dudes aren't the reason the Spurs suck. They're really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

[GreekSpursfan]

Yeah, this whole "Forbes is cheap and Murray is injured" excuse doesn't hold water. A plan B in dealing with injuries has to be better than Forbes. You don't throw your arms up in the air and settle for less when you're a proud, Championship franchise. Forbes costs nothing but produces nothing and you can't have such an empty void chucking shots he has no business taking on a roster with 2 All-Star caliber players.

When you say we have 2 all star caliber players that's where our argument ends. I believe we have none.

[GreekSpursfan]

Also, he has produced plenty. Cherry picking recent bad games to say he hasn't produced at all is weak. It's also really pointless and dumb to have so much negative stuff to say about an 8th-10th man that makes so little. It's like when people used to have it out so bad for Bonner. These dudes aren't the reason the Spurs suck. They're really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

I usually don't praise other members here but whenever i read any of your stuff you usually know what you're talking about even when i slightly disagree. Top 5 poster here. In this case i agree 100%.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This. You get what you pay for. Forbes is barely functional. When he isn't knocking down jumpshots, he's beyond useless. Just because he's cheap doesn't mean he deserves a roster spot.

People justifying Forbes because he's cheap should be neutered before they have a chance to reproduce. There are a couple hundred players in the G-League that would play for half of what Forbes is getting. Winning teams don't get their players at Goodwill.

[GreekSpursfan]

Again, Forbes coming out of college had not just good but very good stats as it pertains to 3pt shooting. It's pretty obvious that their whole thought process was based on that and that he could develop into a reliable shooter, so far he hasn't done it. You don't go and pick whoever from the g-league and give him a spot, you collect data from his college career based on your needs and you go from there. Everyone can't pan out.

[MultiTroll]

It's like when people used to have it out so bad for Bonner. These dudes aren't the reason the Spurs suck. They're really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Matt Bonner started 5 playoff games in 2009. We lost that 1st Round series 4-1.
Bonner shot .217 and .231 for an efg of .283%

Players like Bonner and Forbes are extremely bad to have and very significant when the coaching is in the hands of CIA Pop.

[TimDunkem]

Who's apologizing for Forbes? It's not his fault he's being gifted an NBA career. It's the George Lucas - Lloyd Daniels situation all over again.

This is why I call him Charity Case. Pop probably heard about the baby mama drama and gave him the contract because he likes him and is good in practice.

[SpurPadre]

Also, he has produced plenty. Cherry picking recent bad games to say he hasn't produced at all is weak. It's also really pointless and dumb to have so much negative stuff to say about an 8th-10th man that makes so little. It's like when people used to have it out so bad for Bonner. These dudes aren't the reason the Spurs suck. They're really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

He took 14 shots last night, the same amount as DeRozan and 5 more than Gay. That's not insignificant. And he has the most minutes played amongst negative net rating players. Also not insignificant.

[SpurPadre]

When you say we have 2 all star caliber players that's where our argument ends. I believe we have none.

You might want to check LMA's and DeRozan's track record. You're basing this one season on DeMar's proven All Star ability? And LMA on his way to 34 is still one of the best bigs in the league. If you don't see that, then yeah, you can't really proceed in this fact-based discussion.

[SpurPadre]

Again, Forbes coming out of college had not just good but very good stats as it pertains to 3pt shooting. It's pretty obvious that their whole thought process was based on that and that he could develop into a reliable shooter, so far he hasn't done it. You don't go and pick whoever from the g-league and give him a spot, you collect data from his college career based on your needs and you go from there. Everyone can't pan out.

There was a reason why he went undrafted, tbh.

[superbigtime]

He stinks and ain't no fun to watch lately, that's for sure.

[Coach X]

Popovich loves him because of his character, work ethic, coachability, and shooting but sooner or later will have to admit the boy is too short and can't play defense as a starter. Brynn Forbes isn't an NBA starter caliber player, he's possibly not even a valid rotation player unless a there is a big back up point guard next to him. There are players who develop their potential in San Antonio and help the Spurs, and there are players the Spurs help and develop.

The boy has to be something else in Popovich's mind. I can't understand how many opportunities and credit he has been given compared to other players. It took three years for Bertans to get regularly into the rotation. White was benched several times this season just a few days after recovering after his first injury. Poetl has already been sent to the dog house several times. Same with Murray last year. How long took Splitter or CoJo to have regular playing time? Forbes is a worst player than any of them but he's playing more minutes than any of them, moreover, he has the green light to shoot. Despite having horrible games both defensively and offensively.

I can understand the kid's behavior is excellent but this is professional basketball and the rest of our players are all good professionals as well. He has had enough time to show what can he do and everybody has seen it's not enough. Forbes doesn't have any potental, he isn't a veteran and doesn't have any particularly valuable experience or career credit to continue giving him the role he currently has in the team. This Pop's predilection is unfair for other players and isn't helping the team to win at all.

[FkLA]

He took 14 shots last night, the same amount as DeRozan and 5 more than Gay. That's not insignificant. And he has the most minutes played amongst negative net rating players. Also not insignificant.

1. Cherry picking. That point has already been addressed.
2. Not his fault his role is as big as it is. Has also been addressed.

[JeffDuncan]

Popovich loves him because of his character, work ethic, coachability, ...

Except, where is the coaching in Forbes' case? He doesn't look like he's ever been coached to play defense.

He constantly steps the wrong direction, he hardly ever anticipates correctly, he seems to be a second late on everything, and nearly everything that happens seems to surprise him. Competent coaching should correct at least some of that, unless he really is no smarter than a tadpole.

I don't think the Spurs coaching has been any good this year, for the team overall, or at the individual level either.

[TimDunkem]

There was a reason why he went undrafted, tbh.

FO slurpers will say that only the Spurs FO knew he was a hidden gem.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Shooters shoot. He doesn’t really bring any other value to the Spurs. I play better team defense than he does. I think everyone in the NBA does. He’d be fine in the sparkplug 11th man role. As a significant contributor he just doesn’t have it.

[FkLA]

Matt Bonner started 5 playoff games in 2009. We lost that 1st Round series 4-1.
Bonner shot .217 and .231 for an efg of .283%

Players like Bonner and Forbes are extremely bad to have and very significant when the coaching is in the hands of CIA Pop.

That's a roster construction/coaching decision/iniury issue not an issue with the players themselves. If they were brought in to be significant contributors (given big contracts) then I'd understand but that was never the case for Bonner and it isn't the case for Forbes.

[TimDunkem]

He's no better than a 12th man. The Steve Novak of today's midget SGs.

[slick'81]

Pop has given forbes alot of leash.Should he still be starting ?is the general question i guess

[duncan2k5]

I told you guys so about Forbes... But u all were caught up in the moment... The guy is absolute ass