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    42% approval, 55% disapproval, even after Barr pardons Trash.

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    Facts are facts to me, and my morality has nothing to do with it.

    Give me a few examples. Most debates can be won with fact and logic imo.

    Trump isn't part of the big club. That's why they hate him. That's why Americans love him.
    No. Most debates can't be won on facts and logic alone. The area of moral philosophy is about 3000 years old, and moral philosophers still can't agree on what a "correct" moral stance vis a vis an issue is. When discussing any issue with moral implications, you can approach said issue from a variety of moral positions (utilitarianism, relativism, consequentialism, deontological, virtue ethics, and religious). Perhaps this is easier for you since your morality informed by Christianity is anchored to objective truth handed down by God, but even within the Christian moral framework, debate still abounds. Example is the immigration debate. You think the Law of the Land should be obeyed per scripture, while I think per scripture that the proverbial doors should be "open" for people who are suffering. Christ also had some interesting ideas about rich people, so nor do I think it's "biblical" for people like Bezos to amass wealth larger than many countries while so many people die of starvation around the world. I'm not a practicing Christian, but it seems many on the right invoke Christ and scripture when it's convenient politically.

    Other gray area issues are the death penalty, sentencing, abortion, taxation, age of consent laws as applied to firearm ownership, voting age, military eligibility, and sexual activity. There's no objective solution to any of these.

    at any billionaire not being a part of the "big club."

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