Warriors: Todays NBA real discussion

[midnightpulp]

If they took away the corner 3 and/or move the line further back, there'd be more attacking the basket and more "sick dunks" to share on twitter. Don't casuals also find dunks entertaining? In the 90s, most of the highlights were dunks. I remember booting up NBA Live 98 as a kid and watching the opening video montage of dunks to a heavy metal soundtrack.

I don't think moving the line back would really increase the efficacy of penetration. Penetration is probably easier than it's ever been because teams have to come out far to defend the 3. If the line was moved back to like 30 feet, translating into something like a league wide .280 percentage from 3, defending the 3 isn't a huge priority anymore, so defenses could sag back. I think it would result in the post and mid-range games becoming more valuable again.

[midnightpulp]

MLB is an interesting one, it's probably seen the most changes to traditional values..I heard Mark Teixeira discussing it a few weeks ago, he said he wouldn't have been anywhere as good or made anywhere as much money if he played against today's shifts

Should've showed you some clips of modern pitching (I know you watch baseball, but television broadcasts don't seem to capture the movement at times. They should also take a cue from the Pitching Ninja twitter and show overlays. You might dig this account: https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja. Really highlights the art and science of pitching). I mean, what the are you supposed to do with this

Talked about Bauer. This is surgical right here. Watch how his fastball and change up start from the exact same tunnel, through an identical delivery, and then break off into different paths a few feet away.

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[ambchang]

Those changes have been around since 2006(which you yourself have repeated here forever), the only major difference since then is the 3-point shooting, which was inevitable in basketball once smart people took over and realized that there was a huge inefficiency that wasn't being exploited..

They'll probably move the line back in a few years to combat it, which is all they can do(along with removing the corner 3, which has been suggested by analytics people),..

The rules have actually changed since 2002, but the implementation and interpretation of the rules, particularly perimeter defense didn’t go full force until the last few years.

The sudden rise in perimeter player scoring is no coincidence. It’s purely due to rule changes. Look at the scoring charts, especially this year and it’s simple to see now perimeter friendly the game has turned. Only two of the top ten scorers are inside players.

And about making three point shooting into this incredible feat. These are world class athletes. Most of them can turn into very good shooters with practice. Giannis basically learned to shoot within this season. Embiid became proficient in the last few years. Sure they aren’t curry by any means but for them to turn into a 30-35% shooter isn’t something that is so dramatic that only today’s nba player can obtain.

[midnightpulp]

The rules have actually changed since 2002, but the implementation and interpretation of the rules, particularly perimeter defense didn’t go full force until the last few years.

The sudden rise in perimeter player scoring is no coincidence. It’s purely due to rule changes. Look at the scoring charts, especially this year and it’s simple to see now perimeter friendly the game has turned. Only two of the top ten scorers are inside players.

And about making three point shooting into this incredible feat. These are world class athletes. Most of them can turn into very good shooters with practice. Giannis basically learned to shoot within this season. Embiid became proficient in the last few years. Sure they aren’t curry by any means but for them to turn into a 30-35% shooter isn’t something that is so dramatic that only today’s nba player can obtain.

I think HH was implying it isn't, thus him saying the 3 pointer was basically there for the taking. Yeah, it is kind of weird that the shot really wasn't being exploited till now. It's not a particularly difficult feat.

[Othyus Lalanne]

I don't like the NBA as much as I did from 2011-2016(the greatest era of the NBA IMO), tbh..doesn't have much to do with the game or style, though, I think it's a league that you tend to enjoy less as you get older, especially with the social media route they've chosen to take, it's corny..

Your favorite players that you grew up watching retire(I don't have any feelings for this current Spurs team other than Pop since Duncan and Manu retired, I dislike almost all their main players), which matters more in the NBA because it's a player-driven league, unlike the NFL..gambling daily keeps me engaged and the NBA has done a great job to embrace that, which will help them remain relevant, as well..

If there was just one conference there would not be megastars. GSW is an anomaly. It's artificially player driven.

[Ghazi]

Nothing wrong with not liking today's game, you're en led to your opinion..nostalgia is a very strong feeling..

I have complaints about today's game, as well, but as Jeff Van Gundy(one of the faces of 90s basketball) said during the Portland/OKC game the other night, the level of skill today's players have reached is absurd..

Realistically, if you used the exact same style as the old days and brought the same players but changed their names, you guys would still be complaining about it it's just human nature to favor what you grew up watching(I've been watching since the early 2000s, but I'm in the minority that cringes when I look back at those games)

I'm not even tht nostalgic. I was like 9 when the Jordan Bulls won in 1998. I kinda dig 2005-2015 compared to today's era though.

[Ghazi]

1999-2004 was lame basketball IMO... Pistons were annoying and boring.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I mean Adam Silver admitted that he made it easier to score in today's game. That's one reason why I'm not taking anybody's stats too seriously this year. Also every team shoots like 30 threes a game even if they suck at them.

It's ugly basketball to watch bc while certain players have improved in shooting and become all time great shooters, it doesn't mean that everybody has. Very few players in the NBA today are actually good 3 point shooters. I mean for every Lillard, Curry, Klay, and Durant, etc there is a Lonzo, Westbrook, Roberson, Wall, DDR, etc.

The league is in a fight within itself with players who can shoot and players who can't yet all offenses analytically say to take 3s instead of long 2s even when they can't make them. And that creates ugly basketball. It's embarrassing for some players I'm sure and everytime I see a player like Embid take a 3 I'm thinking to myself- why? Just dunk on people. It's how Shaq won.

[lefty]

I mean Adam Silver admitted that he made it easier to score in today's game. That's one reason why I'm not taking anybody's stats too seriously this year. Also every team shoots like 30 threes a game even if they suck at them.

It's ugly basketball to watch bc while certain players have improved in shooting and become all time great shooters, it doesn't mean that everybody has. Very few players in the NBA today are actually good 3 point shooters. I mean for every Lillard, Curry, Klay, and Durant, etc there is a Lonzo, Westbrook, Roberson, Wall, DDR, etc.

The league is in a fight within itself with players who can shoot and players who can't yet all offenses analytically say to take 3s instead of long 2s even when they can't make them. And that creates ugly basketball. It's embarrassing for some players I'm sure and everytime I see a player like Embid take a 3 I'm thinking to myself- why? Just dunk on people. It's how Shaq won.

[Mark Celibate]

Nothing wrong with not liking today's game, you're en led to your opinion..nostalgia is a very strong feeling..

I have complaints about today's game, as well, but as Jeff Van Gundy(one of the faces of 90s basketball) said during the Portland/OKC game the other night, the level of skill today's players have reached is absurd..

Realistically, if you used the exact same style as the old days and brought the same players but changed their names, you guys would still be complaining about it it's just human nature to favor what you grew up watching(I've been watching since the early 2000s, but I'm in the minority that cringes when I look back at those games)

How do you think your average NBA team would do against some of the early 00's run and gun teams (Kings, Mavs, Suns, etc) with today's rules?

I was watching a rerun on YouTube of a playoff game between the Mavericks and Kings in 2002 or 2003, and they were both by far the best offensive teams in the league, but they still played at a much slower pace, bricked plenty of long 2-pointers, etc. Just watching these games today, I think the upper echelon teams (Golden State, Milwaukee, Toronto, Houston, Philly) would completely run them out of the gym and even the lower seeded playoff teams would give them a serious scare. Just seems like the run and gun style has improved tenfold since then

[DMC]

I agree with Ghazi.

But when you have a stacked team as talent heavy as GSW, the rest of the league has to play their brand of ball or get blown out by 40. This makes the "stars" on other teams have higher scoring averages but marginalizes them otherwise. Your John Wall, Kemba Walker, Lillard, Irving, Westbrook, Unibrow, KAT, type players will have numbers but they won't win anything. They just won't, until someone on GS decides "enough of this " and breaks it up. I figure that will come after the 3peat.

As for sitting out games - these are the days of less for more. Prices go up, players make 40m a year, you see them half as often. This is under the guise of protecting assets, but in reality it's just creating more demand. Unlike movies that have to capitalize on the popularity of "now", the NBA can regulate the product and meter it down to a trickle of ex-G leaguers with an occasional star thrown in.