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Don't trade Walker. He'll be a beast soon, Pop just gotta play him
Haha. A rumor started by you?
Don't trade Walker. He'll be a beast soon, Pop just gotta play him
For sure - I’m saying I think Cha would value a pick more than White/DJ/Lonnie.
Possibly. But I think Cha would jump at the opportunity to acquire either White or Dijon. If not, you still gotta put a package together to de-clutter the backcourt.
DeRozan's advanced stats for the playoffs were so bad, it's almost unimaginable. His OnCourt +/- per 100 poss. was -8.7. His on/off rating was -25.8. No other starter/major player in the playoffs even comes close in terms of negative results. There's a reason Ujiri traded him, and it's not because he's mean, or dumb, or confused. And this isn't an anomaly-- DeRozan has posted these kinds of results consistently. Scroll through the numbers for any playoff team, and you'll be hard pressed to find any player who had as negative an impact while on the floor as DeRozan. And his series went 7 games, meaning he should in theory have a statistical advantage over other players on losing teams whose series only went 5 or 6 games...
https://www.basketball-reference.com.../SAS/2019.html
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 05-01-2019 at 12:52 AM.
I keep telling ppl dude is ass... We will never EVER win a ring with him... Trade him for literally anyone and a second round pick and we are instantly better
i take 1-2 rebuild years at the expense of getting rid of dd+lma+mills.... even if it involves absorbing ty contracts...doesnt mean u have to play them players, just continue play the rookies, develop
Demar needs to get under control, just like Westbrook needs to. They both try to do too much and often press and cost their teams. At least Demar is making like 60% of what Russ is!
So you want to get rid of guys (all who will be off books in 1-2 years) but take on crappy contracts to get rid of them? Or is it about getting rid of them to tank?
There are some people here on spurstalk who really seem to dislike DeRozan personally-- I'm not one of those. He seems like a nice enough guy, and I respect his honesty about his depression issues. But when I look at the numbers, I can't help but see a player who is an impediment to a team trying to build/compete for a championship. For the great majority of his career, his teams have performed better with him off the floor than with him on. Glitches and anomalies exist in statistics, of course, but when a player so consistently shows himself through advanced stats to be a good-sized net negative for his team, it's hard to ignore:
https://www.basketball-reference.com...derozde01.html
I chose Batum as a comparison not because he's the ideal guy for this team, but because even as a break even type of player he'd probably improve team performance... losing DeRozan might be addition by subtraction. Plus the Hornets seem like the kind of team that would be more likely to be dazzled by his raw stats. Obviously, I'd rather trade for Paul George or Kevin Durant, but that ain't happening.
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 05-03-2019 at 02:34 PM.
That’s a no go at this station for me. Sure, DDR struggles badly, but at least the guy plays his heart out and doesn’t just not give a , unlike Batum. I feel like a lot of posters on here “hate” him, because they want him to succeed so bad. I mean, he seems to be a good dude that’s loyal(otherwise, TOR wouldn’t have loved him the way they do if he wasn’t). It’s just that he’s probably just not the type of guy you’d want to build your franchise around. Probably a 2nd or 3rd option. I honestly don’t care whether they let him go or resign/extend him, but if they somehow end up with a franchise player AND keep him, I’d be happy with that. Well, more like contented.
We want Demar to succeed but he won't. The only reason i would do this trade is if we tanking next season which i've always been an advocate for.
DeRozan is a good dude, just an average player, below average defender and absolutely useless off the ball while being overpaid. His contract is bad just like Mills
Can't argue with the sentiment. Batum or whoever, any way to send DDR someplace else looks like a good way to me. The sad thing is, he really does have talent.
This x10000000. It’s like people haven’t watched Batum since 2014
DDR is a great role player who was asked to be a superstar on toronto. he isn't moving the needle in any direction let alone the positive direction. i'd take batum for his spacing alone.
Average players don't make All NBA multiple times.
if he's a star then trade him to somebody who'd give you a lottery pick for him. Draft Hachimura and sign Bogdanovic and Harris with the cap space that opened up.
Batum's in the exact same position that Boris Diaw was in before going to the Spurs-- Declining stats for a couple of years, obviously not happy playing there... Again, read the posts. I'm not saying Batum is a great player. I'm saying DeRozan, despite his numbers, is a net negative. Look at the on/off court numbers for the playoffs. It's not really even debatable. His impact on the court was by far the worst of any significant starter on any playoff team-- and that was in a 7 game series where he had the statistical edge with 3 team wins. And if you look at his past, he has had a negative effect on his teams in all six years of playoff appearances.
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 05-03-2019 at 02:29 PM.
Hmmm... I will wait to see if DeRozan can get his act together over the summer. If he's the same guy next year, then I would trade him for a contract as bad as Batum's.
He's about to turn 30. He is who he is as a basketball player.
DeRozan may not show for the playoffs, but Batum doesn't even show for the RS anymore. When we signed Boris, it was for a minimum deal to end a season. Subsequent contracts were for 5 years, and totaled about $30M. Nic is owed $52M for just the next two seasons. You cannot pay a 10 point per game scorer $26M per year and keep even a halfway decent cap sheet.
I get that, but again it's a matter of losing DeRozan and that's not possible without taking something back. Batum is overpaid to be sure, but top players will be making $40-45mil in the coming seasons, and Batum will make about $25mil.
Do you think DeRozan's consistent net negative impact is a statistical error? Or is it a good representation of his actual impact?
The thing is, his entire career he's been asked to be a #1 or at the very least a 1a/1b guy alongside two other guys in Lowry+Aldridge that are fake stars in their own right. My guess is he wouldn't be a net negative guy if he was a #2 or #3. If you plugged in Batum into the same exact role, he'd be an even bigger net negative. He's only a break even player as a role player. Not an apples to apples comparison, imo.
I'm not opposed to trading DeRozan though. We need a better #1, period.
We have a fundamental disagreement. With Batum this year, we don't make the playoffs. If that's your goal, then I get where you're coming from, but disagree. You can't just plug in 9/5/3 and expect it to replace 21/6/6. Yes. DDR is a regular season player, but he's a damn good one, and carried us for long stretches this year.
Why would we not make the playoffs with Batum? I think we would be even better... Better defense and spacing... We made the playoffs last year without DDR... matter of fact, EVERY team performs better when he isn't on the court... We made the playoffs this year in spite of DDR... not because of him
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