Suns Open to Trading Number Six Pick for the Right Veteran Guard (ESPN)

[DPG21920]

Those picks will all be made by then, and not necessarily who the Spurs would want at #6. It's asymetric. You either do it during the draft or not at all.

That’s my point. It’s highly unlikely a deal gets done for that exact reason. I don’t see LA giving up in FA before it even starts for DeRozan. Perhaps they do, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

[cd98]

Having DDR off the team is more valuable than having him on... It's been that way his entire career

Anyone that thinks that Demar DeRozan has no value and is no good and therefore is better to get rid of for nothing is woefully misguided on NBA level talent.

[timvp]

Forget about dumping Patty. That dog won't hunt. Something like this might work, though.

SA sends DD to the Lakers. They get a second star, and keep #4 pick.

Lakers send Ball (+ something?) to PHO. They get their PG.

PHO sends #6 to us. We get a high pick and a HUGE trade exception.

Yeah, that would be the most realistic scenario. But, again, it would require the Lakers to be really, really, really stupid. Work for years to open up cap room and then use a big chunk of it before free agency even begins? That would take a special kind of stupid that I'm not sure even the Lakers have achieved yet.

[TDomination]

if it was this Patty then maybe.

[Dennis the Menace]

if it was this Patty then maybe.

“There’s no pressure to perform.” - Patty Mills

[DavidTheGoliath]

ST: Patty sucks!
Also ST: trade him for a lottery pick straight up

Wtf are you people smoking?

[diceman]

Numbers:

Of the last 35 first overall picks, 77 percent of those players were future all stars. 2nd picks? 34%. 3rd pick? 49%. 4th pick? 29%. 5th pick? 31%. 6th pick? 20%. 7th pick? 20%. 8th pick? 11%.

So trading DDR for the 6 pick is really risky given that 80% of the time, the 6th pick has not been near as good as DDR is. Spurs should not bother trading down into the lottery unless there is a player that they like that slips past the top 5 picks. Lottery picks are too expensive and yield mostly failed players. There is a reason why perennial lottery teams never get better. It's because unless the tankers get the number one pick, it's bleak that they will get anything from that pick.

This! I wouldn't trade DDR + pieces unless it nets a top 3 draft pick. Like cd stated, it is risky and those high lotto picks are $$$. Sure DDR is flawed, but unless there is a true all-star or Spurs can shed Patty's contract as part of package, or something crazy happens like the Spurs can move into the top 3, I just hope DDR gets more comfy in the system and develops a three.

[DPG21920]

So if CHA came around and offered #12 + Bismack + Marvin Williams for DeRozan + Beli you would not do that?

[Chinook]

Fans on RealGM are asking about White and 19 for 6. It's temping. If they tossed in a Mills/Johnson swap or took 29 instead of 19, I'd do it. They'd get that impact player and open up minutes for Walker while potentially opening up a max slot in 2020.

[Chinook]

So if CHA came around and offered #12 + Bismack + Marvin Williams for DeRozan + Beli you would not do that?

Depends on who is at 12. If it's a guy who could come in and deserve minutes right away, it could make sense. But moving DMDR for a pick likely pushes them farther away from contention.

[FkLA]

Fans on RealGM are asking about White and 19 for 6. It's temping. If they tossed in a Mills/Johnson swap or took 29 instead of 19, I'd do it. They'd get that impact player and open up minutes for Walker while potentially opening up a max slot in 2020.

Give them Instagram Baller instead and I'm in, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Depends on who is at 12. If it's a guy who could come in and deserve minutes right away, it could make sense. But moving DMDR for a pick likely pushes them farther away from contention.

This is true, but I think there is a balance with win-building. SA made the playoffs without DeRozan already. Adding Lonnie + White breaking out to that team (Since Murray was playing that year) in addition to Poeltl and free agency? I think it’s still a playoff team but now with a clearer future with a shot at better youth and cap space.

[DPG21920]

To me, while I definitely want to be good right now, it would be tough to pass on say: Rui, Little & another player + cap space next year to keep DeRozan.

I don’t know how much worse the team would be next year in the big scheme of things (maybe a 2nd round team vs a WCF team?) and if that is worth passing up on building a young core with the chance to add a better fitting vet as early as next year.

[Mugen]

I'd much rather give up Dejounte than White tbh. And #6 only makes sense if Hunter is still available.

[DPG21920]

Depends on who is at 12. If it's a guy who could come in and deserve minutes right away, it could make sense. But moving DMDR for a pick likely pushes them farther away from contention.

And also Marvin Williams for DeRozan I think helps too - wouldn’t totally kill next year.

[TD 21]

Numbers:

Of the last 35 first overall picks, 77 percent of those players were future all stars. 2nd picks? 34%. 3rd pick? 49%. 4th pick? 29%. 5th pick? 31%. 6th pick? 20%. 7th pick? 20%. 8th pick? 11%.

So trading DDR for the 6 pick is really risky given that 80% of the time, the 6th pick has not been near as good as DDR is. Spurs should not bother trading down into the lottery unless there is a player that they like that slips past the top 5 picks. Lottery picks are too expensive and yield mostly failed players. There is a reason why perennial lottery teams never get better. It's because unless the tankers get the number one pick, it's bleak that they will get anything from that pick.

Good work . . . too bad this ignores the fact that DeRozan is a pseudo All-Star, who recently annually made it on a combination of the strength of the Raptors' recently annually strong record (like the Spurs, they were regularly worse with him on floor and best with Lowry + the 2nd unit), the East being weak and counting stats continuing to be overvalued.

It also ignores his poor fit on this roster and the fact that he'll be minimizing on ball reps for Murray, White, Walker.

Fans on RealGM are asking about White and 19 for 6. It's temping. If they tossed in a Mills/Johnson swap or took 29 instead of 19, I'd do it. They'd get that impact player and open up minutes for Walker while potentially opening up a max slot in 2020.

It's only tempting if either Hunter is somewhat unexpectedly available at 6 or the Spurs are high on Reddish.

Something like White, 19 and 49 for Hunter or Reddish and Okobo or Melton, is at least worthy of strong consideration. Murray instead of White would be preferable though.

[TDMVPDPOY]

6pick is better then nothing

with the right development and minutes, that players learning curve is upto them to take that opportunity

and we all know pop with rookies in their first year, be lucky to get scrub minutes or even playoff minutes..fck that clown

[spurraider21]

i wouldnt give up derrick white to move up. but i wouldnt package dejounte with 19 either, unless we're getting into the top 5

the potential of a white/murray backcourt is what makes the team compelling going forward, imo

if we can dump derozan for any first round pick it would be a big win imo. his inability to shoot and his poor defense make it incredibly difficult to build a good, cohesive starting unit

[Mugen]

Charlotte with Batum and the 12th....Minny with Covington / Dieng and the 11th.....

Those are the only realistic trade partners I could see for Derozan and I'm using realistic very loosely in this situation tbh......

[RC_Drunkford]

nah I wouldn't give up any of the young guys. I don't think there are a lot of players in this draft after the 5th pick who have a higher ceiling than White, Walker or Murray. Besides that it would be a huge gamble. Moving DeRozan is a possibility but would have to be for the 4th pick, nothing lower than that

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think the Spurs are a playoff team without DeRozan and the fact that his drop in production from regular season to playoffs is one of the biggest for all current players makes him expendable for a first round pick.

[Dennis the Menace]

Just trade Derozan, our 19, 29 to Atlanta for #8 & #10 (Rui & Little) then call it a day.

[cjw]

Chances are the number six pick will never be as good as DDR, regardless if you think he is trash. Trash can't consistently put up the numbers he has in the NBA. He may not be a superstar, but he has value and the 6 pick is mostly crap. Outside the top 3, I'm not sure why anyone moves up. Not saying there won't be good players in the draft, but most lottery players end up on the bench or out of the league very quickly.

Not perfect, but in the average draft the sixth pick will contribute 18 or so wins in their first five seasons.

Demar produced about six win shares last year so 30 over five years. But the caveats:

- He’s not likely to improve but was 9+ last three years in Toronto
- The 538 analysis doesn’t adjust for minutes played
- Sixth pick will be a lot cheaper, and open up cap space ($5 million salary or so over first three years). But need to find a place to use that cap space...

[DPG21920]

^ Not to mention that SA has players to help soak up some of the usage; it would not all be on the pick to replace DeRozan. Murray/White/Lonnie can take some of that responsibility; not a guarantee they do better with their touches but the point is it’s not all on the pick(s)

[RC_Drunkford]

Just trade Derozan, our 19, 29 to Atlanta for #8 & #10 (Rui & Little) then call it a day.

now that would be a great trade