It's tough to say if it'll be capital letters easy, tbh. It depends how much spare cap room is left around the league after the first wave of free agents sign.
Perfect case scenario: a team is looking for shooters on one-year contracts to fill out there team. Spurs get a second round pick in exchange. Chances: 5%.
Medium case scenario: a team like the Knicks strikes out and decides to punt for a season. Spurs have to give up a pair of second rounders in order to trade away those two. Chances: 25%.
Bad case scenario: cap space is sparse. Multiple teams are fighting to trade into the remaining cap space as the remaining free agents dwindle in number. Cost to dump those two players is a first rounder plus. Chances: 70%.
Man I disagree. I don’t think it would be tough at all to dump them. I think worst case would be the second rounders attached; not firsts.
I think one year deals are very desirable and for sure Bertans has value. For sure. Beli is more questionable but it’s minuscule money
So imo best case is scenario one.
Med case is dumping them with nothing back
Worst is giving up a pair of 2nds
We'll see, tbh. The Hawks charged a lot for salary dumping and I just don't see the excess salary cap space out there that a team will do the deed for a small cost. The Spurs could get lucky and a team with salary cap space will need shooting ... but that would require a fortuitous series of events.
I don’t think Crabbe is valued as highly and also they knew BKY was chasing BIG fish. I guess I’ll ask you: if Beli and Bertans were free agents, what would their deals look like?
Taking on 18M for a worse player should cost more than 6-7M player
We also saw TJ Warren dumped for a 2nd..
Now if a team would take Mills instead of having to move Beli and Bertans? Knicks? First rounder here you go..
Last edited by DPG21920; 06-26-2019 at 11:42 PM.
Meh...I honestly can't see how the Murray/White/Walker thing fits together yet. I don't think PATFO can yet, either. I don't think White can get twice as many 3's as he did this year, especially if he's facilitating. And Walker is still such an unknown at the next level. (He did shoot the 3 well in Austin.) I can't disagree about the defensive improvement. Still - equaling the team's 3P total from last year isn't exactly the path to improvement. But, yeah, if those two guys could make 200 3P's between them? (That's what it would take to offset one of Belli/Bertans + the shots White made last season.) That would be a game changer, especially since the 3P threat would be coming from more places. , it would be a game changer even if they stand pat with their roster. I still say trading Belli + Bertans for one guy would be a of a leap of faith. He would have to be a good 3P shooter, with a solid track record to take that plunge. I don't know who is going to sell them that guy, but I guess doing S&T for someone they're going to lose anyway?
As for letting Gay go, and dumping Belli + Bertans? You're talking about a rebuild there, aren't you? And if they did that, and dipped below the cap to use cap space... wouldn't they lose the taxpayer MLE? I can't remember. But if it screwed getting the bigger MLE exemption, they wouldn't be gaining that much overall this year.
I think what I'm going to take from the discussion is that White/Murray are going to make 200+ 3-pointers between them this year, and go to sleep with a smile on my face.
Would Luke Kornet be a cheaper alternative?
You're going to get some people bashing that suggestion. And he's not really any sort of alternative to Bogdonovic. But if the Spurs had room for a project big man, he wouldn't be a terrible place to look. He's been on a rudderless Knicks team, but he's got good size (7' and around 250 I think.) He can actually shoot the 3 respectably. His dad was in the NBA, and I've come to be a believer that guys who grow up in the game from birth have an advantage.
He plays soft, but most big men take several years to find their potential. I honestly think that he has potential to be a decent journeyman big man if he lands on a team that will help him develop. The Spurs don't have room for a project right now, and he's gotten enough NBA minutes/money that he's not going to take some 2-way deal to develop his game. I don't see any fit here, but I don't hate the guy. I think he should go play in Europe for a couple of years and toughen up.Just getting away from the damn Knicks will help.
The Yugoslavian Belinelli!
Nah, you don't pass up on strong talent for that justification. If PATFO cared so much about three-point shooting, they shouldn't have put this team together. No matter what, Beli and Bertans aren't getting higher in the rotation without tremendous improvement. If you can turn them into a better player who also shoots well, you do it. These aren't super two-way guys we're talking about here.
I don't disagree about adding more shooting or at least getting the guys in the rotation to be better in that regard. I just don't see how Murray/DeRozan/Aldridge/Poeltl can work together for long stretches, even if Murray's shot is improved and Forbes starts. They need a defensive four who can shoot. Some of those guys are available in trades or for the MLE. I hope they get at least Singleton, who's been a terrific shooter in Europe and a bulky defender who might play some five if he comes over. But keeping two of their worst rotation players just isn't an option unless they simply don't want to win.
Indy will never bring in such a massive contract without unloading some. And they have nobody to get rid of. Plus they'll anyway prefere to have Bogdanovic than DDR. He was a stud last season, put the team on his shoulder after Oladipo broke. I bet they'll try to resign in at 54/2+1
Really don’t like him at the price he’ll command in free agency. Never been a difference maker, never had good advanced stats, no intangibles, doesn’t go to the line, doesn’t defend or rebound well. Meh.
Wheres Bobo?
you've been pushing singleton lately. is this something you're hearing or just a personal preference?
It's all about fit for me. Neither Bojan or DeMar are going to be the best, second best, or third best players on a championship team, but I think Bojan spaces the floor better (by far) and will give the young core a much better opportunity to grow & thrive. DeMar is an iso/higher usage rate type of player, and becomes a major target in the playoffs because of his no 3/little D game. He reminds me of Iverson because he'll get you wins and help you get into the playoffs, but his style of play will also make a championship almost impossible.
Giving up assets to get rid of nonassets is the quickest way to the poor farm (just ask the Lakers).
Let's hope the Spurs don't do that.
Forbes, at least, is an elite NBA three-point shooter. Plenty of teams don't have even one.
(For that matter, Forbes had a higher three-point % than Bogdanovic.)
(And the Spurs had the highest three-point % in the league.)
We ring if we land him and keep Depression, imho.
Took one 2nd rounder to dump 3 players in a must dump situation for Lakers
I didn't say the Spurs can't trade Belli and Bertans. I said that they can't trade both of them for a single player, unless they have a plan for adding another 3P shooter in addition. And they can't take a chance on not being able to get that additional shooter - they would have to have him locked up.
And I don't want the Spurs to turn into a majority 3P shooting team. But you know that a team has to have shooters to spread the floor, or defenses are going to pack the paint. And the distance shooters have to be at least good enough that defenses don't chronically cheat off of them. If you don't have that kind of balance, you're doomed. This roster can't afford to get any less effective from the perimeter. So they can't trade in two of their most prolific 3P shooters for a single 3P shooter. It's as simple as that.
Totally agree about the current roster construction, though. And I think they're going to be reluctant to give up any of the three young (White, Murray, Walker) before seeing them on the floor this season - mostly out of fear of letting go of the wrong one. It's a bloody mess.
I'd be really happy with Singleton. He's always been a good shooter, but he really shot his ass off from 3 this year. I think that's made him a very hot prospect, and if he doesn't get the money he wants here, there are a number of Euro teams trying to convince him to play for them. I hope he's being considered. I think Singleton is only about an inch taller than Darius Miller who I think should be a target. And he (Singleton) is an inch or so shorter than Morris, who may be the wisest target of the three, just because he's proven himself at this level. Morris and Singleton came from the same draft class, but we've seen a lot more of Morris.
Eh, those three players make a total of like, what, $4 million? Plus the Wizards actually wanted Wagner and Bonga. On top of that, 2022 might be the elusive "double draft" ... so Lakers still had to pay a relatively hefty price for dumping what amounts to less than one third of the money owed to Belinelli and Bertans.
Sure but it’s not like Beli and Bertans have to be dumped together. So instead of aggregate 4M it’s 5.8M and 7M. Plus Bertans has to be valued as much as any of those guys and LA was DESPERATE
But it’s not apples to apples. Read that wash used trade exceptions, not cap space to bring them in. So if it were cap space it would be more expensive most likely
He gon'.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
