Reply With QuoteInteresting that the Spurs and Kings would pull off a deal that would help each other.
Can't see how this deal works without SA dealing a player to Indy, most likely Rose.
Well I'll be one happy mofo if they land Turkoglu for just picks. You guys can go Ghostal all you want and worry about deals that never were.
Interesting that the Spurs and Kings would pull off a deal that would help each other.
Can't see how this deal works without SA dealing a player to Indy, most likely Rose.
Assuming, of course, that Horry signs for one year guaranteed at $5 mil. Spurs can guarantee more years at a lower salary and all the Spurs have to send out is picks.
Rose is not going to be dealt.
There has to be more to this trade than we know. There is no way that the Kings get Miller, Pacers get Pollard and we get Turkoglu and Mercer. We will have to package somebody and my guess is that it would be Jackson.
Kings send Pollard to the Pacers
The Pacers send Miller to the Kings
The Spurs get Turkoglu and Mercer
Anybody see a gap there?
WGAF about Artest?
This is a very good trade for the Spurs. Hedo is a player they've wanted since he was available in that year's draft. At 6'10, he can shoot and penetrate. He'll help out rebounding and is also a good passer.
I don't really like Mercer but he can score. He probably won't play much and hopefully the Spurs can ship him out for someone else. At worst, he's a solid sparkplug as a 11th or 12th man.
Again, if Horry agrees to a longer guaranteed deal at a lower rate then the Spurs can do this deal with just picks. No gap whatsoever.
DO THIS ING TRADE
Iceman? Would this make you happy? :shock
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If they get Hedo is there any real reason to go after Horry? After all they are both 6'10" and would essentially play the same position.
"Capspace is a commodity..." Spurs FanCan't see how this deal works without SA dealing a player to Indy, most likely Rose.
We have 12.4M of it, and the contracts we would receive are only about 9M. Easy peasy. I would fell safe to say the neither team WANTS any contracts in return, Sacto being in DEEP luxtax land, and Indy teetering on the border.
Horry is a better defender and can guard big men.
Hedo isn't really a 4.
Hedo should get more minutes, but if Horry's willing to accept a Danny Ferry role, it works.
Marc Stein was just now saying on ESPN that the Spurs most likely will not be re-signing Jackson.
Now they say the Spurs are surrendering future draft picks
So? Our ing picks usually get traded away, anyways. The only decent pick we have anytime soon is that second rounder from the Grizz. Personally, I think turning THAT pick into Turkoglu is a triumph, and that may not even be what they are asking for.
I just got in from playing soccer, and I read about this trade on ESPN.
Needless to say, I'm not thrilled.
Hedo > SJax. Mercer might not be too bad either.
Crap.
In fairness, Jax is probably a much better defender, but Hedo shoots better from downtown (.37 to .32), in spite of Jax hot streaks, and handles the ball MUCH better (.7 TO to 2.2 TO). You also have Bowen and Manu still here, and Mercer for situational defense. In this offense, Turk might shoot 44-45%. Large increases in 3G% are NOT unheard of coming to SA...see DA, JJ, Manu, Tony.Hedo > SJax
Kings send Pollard to the Pacers
The Pacers send Miller to the Kings
The Spurs get Turkoglu and Mercer
What are the Spurs giving up to get these players? This looks too good to be true.
Has anyone thought of the repercussions here in Sacto? This might get Sacto into the Finals. The addition of Miller will make that team almost unstopable. The West is loaded even moreso this year. The poor stepchildren in the East are in for another ass whipping by all WC teams in reg season again, not to mention the Finals.
Bounce:
Maybe TurkeyGlue can refer Manu to his plastic surgeon and trim some of that beak.Turkoglu AND Tony on the same team?!? Is it possible to have two of the 50 most beautiful people on the same team?
This deal is a no brainer and a "steal" for the Spurs. Get it done.
What kind of ridiculous statement is this? It's statements like this that get people laughed out of "serious basketball discussions."Hedo is nowhere near the defender that Artest is, and nowhere near as valuable. The point of the stats is that Artest is a GREAT defender who also brings reasonable offense to the game.
I don't want Artest, but statements like Hedo > Artest would get laughed out of any serious basketball discussion.
I for one say that Hedo is >= Artest. Just because you think Artest is a great player doesn't make it so. Show stats to back up your point. I already pointed out that if you extrapolate Hedo's stats to match Artest's playing time they are virtually identical. Not to mention that we live in the real world where you have to deal with Artest being mentally unstable and the consequences thereof. I would never want Artest on my team over Hedo.
I'll assume this line was meant to be funny. I sure got a laugh out of it. Miller would be a solid addition, but he hardly makes them "unstoppable." Let's remember he's spent his entire career in the East so far.The addition of Miller will make that team almost unstoppable.
Only statedwith a slight over exaggeration, Sacto will be much better and they were the favs to win it all, all year last year, so I am looking for them to be in top 2 again next year.
Hedo:
MPG: 18 - FG%: .42 - 3P%: .37 - FT% .80 - PPG: 7
Artest:
MPG: 34 - FG%: .43 - 3P%: .34 - FT%: .74 - PPG: 16
You jump Hedo's minutes to 34-36 a game and he's avg. what Artest is. Maybe more.
Evidently the word "defense" hits a blind spot on your retina.
Artest is on the All-Defense team, and people who WATCH THE GAME generally agree that he and Bowen are 1/2 or 2/1 when it comes to on-the-ball defense. There are no stats which measure that, no matter how hard your little fingers may type.
Hedo is below-average on defense at best, and was getting reamed out by Kings fans for his poor defensive efforts last year. Hopefully Pop will fix at least the effort part.
And all you've done is show that offensively, they're about equal.
I rest my case.
It's not for certain that Jack won't be back. It's his agent who is ing everything up. There is room for Jack in SA. **** Fegan. I will hunt you down and force you to read Ghost and Admiral's posts you nutsucker. Go Spurs Go.
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