I still don't understand why we don't have the MLE (~5M) + 5M (Horry's slot) = 10M to offer Manu. I don't think he will command more than 5-6M. Are you saying if we have the 5M then we don't have the MLE?
How many team will have that much under the cap available?
Go Spurs...
The average salary ~ $5 mil for this season. The thing is that it is certainly conceivable if Ginobili continues to exhibit his all around clutch game that teams will bid more than the average for him next season.
Also, Horry's deal would be coming off the books next summer but the other contracts the Spurs have will be increasing and you cannot count on the cap increasing at the same rate.
Bah...Now Rogers is saying that Speedy is going to GS. .
Oh well, at least now we are guaranteed even more ing and monday morning quarterbacking from Spurs fans.
We either will have money under the cap or the MLE if over the cap. But still, I don't think Manu will command more than the MLE next year. He will be unrestricted and if he signs for one more year we will have his Bird rights. There won't be many teams under the cap next year to offer Manu more than the MLE and he supposedly loves playing for Pop and being in SA, so I don't think it is going to be too much of a problem resigning him with the MLE next year.
If we can keep Speedy for a 3yr/10M deal, you have to do it. We would actually probably be increasing our depth from last season with the addition of Horry and Rasho if we are able to keep Speedy and SJax. We can worry about Manu next year. We can always sign him to a 1 year deal for the MLE next year and give him a nice big K the following year when we have his bird rights.
If you're under the cap you don't have the Mid Level Exemption, which is designed to allow teams that are over the cap to be able to sign players.
Ginobili will be an Early Bird rights free agent next summer. That means the Spurs will be able to sign him to a contract starting at the NBA average next summer without using the MLE. Such a deal would have to be for at least two years.
Should Ginobili put in a solid season next year and yet again display his clutch all-around play in the postseason it is not inconceivable that he will receive offers greater than the MLE level.
I was thinking that the CBA doesn't allow you to use the MLE and early bird rights in the same summer...eh, I'm too tired tonight to look it up. I'll do it tomorrow.
It does.
Mark, I believe it says you can match offers up to the 'Average salary' which would be the same amount as the MLE.
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Manu is not even a starter yet and some people are acting like it will take a max deal to keep him. No doubt he will be good, but I don't think that time has come yet.
There's a reason NY wanted him in return for Spree.
Just to cover all the bases:
Bogojevic (Utah Summer Leaguer) will be our "backup point", though Tony and Manu will see a majority of the minutes as "point".
As for next summer, here's what you're looking at right now as far as teams under the cap (I'm just ball parking, this doesn't include any of this summer's signings - based on a 44 million cap):
Miami, 14 million
Utah, 15 million (depending on what happens with Miller, this could go up)
Washington 6 mil
NOrleans 6 mil
Denver 13 million
Milwaukee 8 mil
Chicago 8 million
Warriors 8 million
Memphis 10 million
Like I said, some of these may have changed, I haven't factored in the current FA signings, but it should give you an idea - Miami, Utah, Denver, Milwaukee, Chicago, GS, and Memphis could all be threats, and don't kid yourself - Jerry West would love to get Manu.
AHF
Jerry West LOVES manu,
he wouldnt hesitate at all to get him!
How do you know this TPARK?
Jerry West was quoted as of last year
that Manu Ginobili would be a star in this league.
Yes, lets not keep him right homers??? Gotta keep a back up point guard instead.
It will be interesting to see what the Spurs do with their remaining cap room ($7 mil). Maybe they should offer Piatkowksi a deal similiar to Horry's (1 year $4 mil) and then do the same for a backup point with the remaining $3 mil?
If they do that then they could remove up to $12 mil off the cap next summer. This is assuming that they don't use any of the $12 mil to sign multiyear guaranteed deals without a team option next summer. They'll take a hit on Jack's contract. I will not be surprised to see them offer him a longer term deal in exchange for a lower starting salary for Jack.
I think if the Spurs could get about $2 mil over the average salary in cap room next year then they will be able to make an offer to Ginobili that will be close to what he could see from other teams.
If it doesn't take that to re-sign Manu then the Spurs could re-up Ginobili using his Early Bird Rights, keep their bench, and add some talent using their MLE. Plus they will have their two picks next summer as well as Memphis' second rounder.
And we know from that quote that West will make Manu an offer for $10 million a year.Jerry West was quoted as of last year
that Manu Ginobili would be a star in this league.
Yes, lets not keep him right homers??? Gotta keep a back up point guard instead. -T Park num 9
Manu isn't even a starter yet, people. Relax.
the way Memphis is shaping up,
that second rounder will be a good one.
Memphis isnt improving at ALL!
Vladi Bogojevic has a pretty good assist/minute ratio in the RMR from what I've read and seen.
Has big wraps on him, but he could be worthwhile.
The Spurs will face some compe ive offers for Manu. I would not assume that the Spurs can keep him simply using his Early Bird rights. We've seen Golden State lose a player that way this summer.
This one's a real dilemma - wanna keep Speedy, but I think this will be Manu's breakout season and 6-8mil will probably be his price next year.
If you're a risk taker you grab Speedy and hope for the best, if not you do the 1 year thing and keep plenty of money close at hand... but I can't make up my mind!
Actually, screw that. Manu is a big part of our future - I hate to say it, but I go back to the Holting Pattern to ensure that we can keep him, although it hurts 'cause Speedy rocks.
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