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    Problem is, it's a lot easier to trade an expiring contract when you are willing to take back contracts with a year(s) left on them.
    It's easy to trade an expiring for less talented expiring.
    They can do a trade Nazr for players like Aaron Williams.

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    Huh?

    Denver never put an offer on the table. They went after K-Mart.
    Because Manu informed them not to bother.

    The main reason the Spurs sign players for less is that they have signed players for less.

    If you can convince me Manu's benching had nothing to do with basketball, I'd believe you. Whose value was being reduced during last season's benching?

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    If anyone was going to kick around a conspiracy theory at this point I would think it would be more along the lines that the Spurs are showcasing Rasho to make him tradeable.

    Or is that too obvious to even qualify as a conspiracy theory?

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    Man this is a stretch. Nazr will be an unrestricted FA so if you piss him off he won't sign here for a similiar contract anyway. Anyone looks good next to Duncan (besides Rasho) anyway so it's almost a given that Nazr will be overpaid.

    Totally off topic but it iss really fortunate that we didn't win the le year before last. Can you imagine trying to sign Manu and Tony after that? Wouldn't have happened.

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    Because Manu informed them not to bother.
    Link?

    Denver wasn't going to put any offer on the table with their number one target still available. And they got him.

    End of story.

    The main reason the Spurs sign players for less is that they have signed players for less.
    And good planning.

    If you can convince me Manu's benching had nothing to do with basketball, I'd believe you. Whose value was being reduced during last season's benching?
    That lasted until Barry sucked. What was Pop waiting for when Hedo was sucking versus the Lakers?

    E$$actly.

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    This is was widely quoted, Kiki said that Manu told them not to bother.

    If Manu played more minutes than he had he probably would have got a career ending injury. You are the one always going on about how manu can only play 35 minutes and we need someone who can play more than that.

    You were wrong about that

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    Man this is a stretch. Nazr will be an unrestricted FA so if you piss him off he won't sign here for a similiar contract anyway. Anyone looks good next to Duncan (besides Rasho) anyway so it's almost a given that Nazr will be overpaid.

    Totally off topic but it iss really fortunate that we didn't win the le year before last. Can you imagine trying to sign Manu and Tony after that? Wouldn't have happened.
    so the .40 shot was a conspiracy then!????! It was done to lower Manu's & Tony's salary???

    Naaaahh! This Nazr thread doesn't wash.

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    Boy does LJ love looking through windows when the answer is on the front yard.

    Nazr was crap in the preseason and also missed a few games. He lost his rotation.

    Same thing happened to Big Dog in the playoffs.

    Were the Spurs just trying to get GRob's value so low that they wouldn't sign him?

    Give up the Oliver Stone and Joan of Arc act.

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    Link?
    Did you sleep through that summer?
    What was Pop waiting for when Hedo was sucking versus the Lakers?
    Waiting for someone to make a three....

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    the .4 shot was part of the Stern v. Lakers conspiracy. This one has a motive namely 100s of millions of dollars.

    I did preface it with 'totally off topic'

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    If anyone was going to kick around a conspiracy theory at this point I would think it would be more along the lines that the Spurs are showcasing Rasho to make him tradeable.

    Or is that too obvious to even qualify as a conspiracy theory?
    That is a good byproduct.

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    Man this is a stretch. Nazr will be an unrestricted FA so if you piss him off he won't sign here for a similiar contract anyway. Anyone looks good next to Duncan (besides Rasho) anyway so it's almost a given that Nazr will be overpaid.

    Totally off topic but it iss really fortunate that we didn't win the le year before last. Can you imagine trying to sign Manu and Tony after that? Wouldn't have happened.

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    10 minutes is not a showcase.

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    You are the one always going on about how manu can only play 35 minutes and we need someone who can play more than that.

    You were wrong about that
    Who are you talking to?

    Manu can't play 35 minutes and yeah I was right. But where did I say to get someone who can?

    Link?

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    Did you sleep through that summer?
    Manu telling Denver not to bother made no difference. The Nuggets weren't going to offer him a contract with their number one target still available.

    You deny this?


    Waiting for someone to make a three....
    Manu hit a couple threes in the following year's playoffs as a starter.

    No?

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    10 minutes is not a showcase.
    yep.
    both Nazr & Rasho had the same minutes.The differrence is that Rasho had a full training camp and still played like crap.

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    Seems to me that if the Spurs were really trying to make sure they could sign someone for less than their market value, rather than giving them the Malik treatment they might try making them feel wanted and a part of something special, not berating them without cause, casting doubts upon their work ethic, etc. May sound naive, but there are players who will sign for less for those types of reasons.

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    Were the Spurs just trying to get GRob's value so low that they wouldn't sign him?
    What does this have to do with anything?

    Go pleasure yourself to a San Antonio manhole.













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    Manu can't play 35 minutes and yeah I was right. But where did I say to get someone who can?
    I'll find this when I have time.

    The guy can play 35 minutes according to you we play him 35 minutes, so how were we lowering his value?

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    I think it's too soon to lower Nazr Value.
    The explanation is that they tried to show to other GM that Nazr is available for a trade.

    Pop said that even without the training, he plays quite good.
    translation :
    "you can trade for him, he will be fast productive with your team"

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    The point is, just because players are benched does not mean the Spurs are trying to lower their value. Players get benched because they can't perform. Neither Rash nor Nazr was particularly effective last night, so they didn't get many minutes. Again, 1 game into the season is way too early for this conspiracy talk. Especially because Pop usually spends the early part of the regular season getting his rotation right and messing with the line-ups.

    coopdogg3

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    the guy os lowering his own trade value. I'm sure no decision has been made... it will come down to trade value of our player (or how much we have to give up to unload him).

    Plus the center position needs to be servicable.

    Spurs don't pay lux. tax.

    I know you guys think of a couple milliion dollars as chump change but 99.99999999% of america doesn't

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    People who say that it's too soon to tell if the Spurs are lowering Nazr's value are missing the point. I've been saying for a long time that this is the game plan going into the season. Game one is just reinforcing my point.

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    People who say that it's too soon to tell if the Spurs are lowering Nazr's value are missing the point. I've been saying for a long time that this is the game plan going into the season. Game one is just reinforcing my point.
    My point is that they lower his value for SA to show that he can be traded to other GM.

    Why : They said that he wasn't great because he didn't make the training camp but even without the training camp he made a heck of a job last year. It's not really lower his market value.

    His absence "affects everything," Popovich said. "His familiarity with what we're doing, getting the system down. Come playoff time, you make so many adjustments that everything isn't exactly what you did in training camp. If you didn't have training camp, you don't have the base.
    "Sometimes he was on the fly trying to do something in the playoffs that he hadn't practiced very much. Considering that, he did a heck of a job."
    Spurs can't sign Nazr to an extension with Rasho staying with Spurs.
    In the first game they didn't showcase Rasho (Horry plays a lot), Spurs will trade Nazr, not Rasho.

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    People who say that it's too soon to tell if the Spurs are lowering Nazr's value are missing the point. I've been saying for a long time that this is the game plan going into the season. Game one is just reinforcing my point.
    Do you feel that in Pop's mind he needed to play Nazr to win a championship-- versus lowering his value, Nazr would sit?

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