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    when a player has played so little, the per 36 is the WORST stat to look at. For example, in year one Boban was putting historically great per 36 numbers, better than Wilt and Karim even.

    Please don't try to teach stats fundamentals. Please. I just don't have the energy to argue stupid .

    You don't want to compare Per36 numbers for a starter and a guy getting short minutes against reserves. But Lonnie and Beli have mostly faced a similar level of compe ion, and Beli himself has only gotten 16 mpg. (More than he should get, but that's another story.) They're both only responsible for playing in short bursts.

    Boban was a special situation, because he mostly got deep bench minutes at the end of games, when it no longer mattered. He was a ing giant, and could overpower those less-talented, less-skilled reserves. He can't do it as a starter, and he can't do it for extended minutes. Situations like that are outliers, and you have to be smart enough to recognize when the stats aren't useful.

    But you don't even need stats to recognize the times when Lonnie has come in and instantly changed the complexion of the game. I don't know if he could ever do that more consistently, but we know Beli can't. And Beli is absolutely horrible on the defensive end. Surely you can see that his terrible D makes him a net negative?

    You want to argue with me so badly that you can't listen. You're right... Lonnie is not "there" yet. But he has potential to get much better. We know exactly who/what Beli is. He's not going to get better. Lonnie may not, but Marco absolutely won't. Marco's only reason for getting oxygen is as a 3P shooter, and he's shot them like . He's shot more than Lonnie, but Lonnie's 3P% is better. When you're a specialist (Beli) and you aren't doing that one thing well, it's a big problem. I'd rather try to develop Lonnie than waste minutes on Beli. If you feel differently about that, we just have a difference of opinion.

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    Please don't try to teach stats fundamentals. Please. I just don't have the energy to argue stupid .

    You don't want to compare Per36 numbers for a starter and a guy getting short minutes against reserves. But Lonnie and Beli have mostly faced a similar level of compe ion, and Beli himself has only gotten 16 mpg. (More than he should get, but that's another story.) They're both only responsible for playing in short bursts.

    Boban was a special situation, because he mostly got deep bench minutes at the end of games, when it no longer mattered. He was a ing giant, and could overpower those less-talented, less-skilled reserves. He can't do it as a starter, and he can't do it for extended minutes. Situations like that are outliers, and you have to be smart enough to recognize when the stats aren't useful.

    But you don't even need stats to recognize the times when Lonnie has come in and instantly changed the complexion of the game. I don't know if he could ever do that more consistently, but we know Beli can't. And Beli is absolutely horrible on the defensive end. Surely you can see that his terrible D makes him a net negative?

    You want to argue with me so badly that you can't listen. You're right... Lonnie is not "there" yet. But he has potential to get much better. We know exactly who/what Beli is. He's not going to get better. Lonnie may not, but Marco absolutely won't. Marco's only reason for getting oxygen is as a 3P shooter, and he's shot them like . He's shot more than Lonnie, but Lonnie's 3P% is better. When you're a specialist (Beli) and you aren't doing that one thing well, it's a big problem. I'd rather try to develop Lonnie than waste minutes on Beli. If you feel differently about that, we just have a difference of opinion.
    How do you feel being a troll? Like really, is that a life worth living?

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    I believe he can shoot 3s now. Get him!

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