I was really just talking about which style of bball i prefer when close to the basket. I think AI is a better PG then Tony Parker. But if the 76ers offered a straight up trade (if the salaries worked) of AI for Parker, I would be opposed to it. I wouldn't want AI on this team, would you want AI as the starting PG for the Pacers??
Nice shooting edge for Parker but their are other considerations that when added allow for a clearer picture of who's better at this point in the season.
The assist difference equals 6 more points per game on Billups side of the ledger.
Turnovers- Billups 1.2 Parker 3.5 also equates to a team point differential
Steals- Billups .75 Parker .4
FT% Billups 89% Parker 69%
I guess the bottom line of who's better would be who would you rather have on your team?
Billups for sure here.
I'm not sure you can even compare the two.
Parker fits SA's style, and Billup's fits Detroits.
San Antonio needs a point who can drive to the basket. Billups is best backing and posting up his opponents. That would interfere with Timmy's game. Timmy is our post up guy, not Tony.
On Detroits team, Billups is probably their best Post up player. Rashid really ain't a post up guy.
2 totally different styles, for 2 different teams. The only similarity is tenacious defense. Billups can't guard Tony's speed, and Tony can't guard Billups size. Billup's is detroits #1 option...Tony's really #2 or 3...disregarding his quick start this year.
So I definetly wouldn't take Billups on our team, we don't need a post up guard, tho the assists would be nice. And I don't think Detroit would take Parker on their team on a head to head switch. They've gotten used to have a post-up guard, and need those assists from Billups. San Antonio gets our assists from Tim and Manu.
2 of the best point guards in the league...providing 2 totally different styles of play.
Viva la difference.
And having said all this...I still thing the best pure point guard in the league, is that little Canadian soccer player dood. Him, I'd take over Tony or Chauncy.
Last edited by SouthernFried; 11-10-2005 at 10:19 AM.
Well Billups low FG% also equates to a team point differential, that being said TP's 3.5 TO per game is way too high. Billups is probably my favorite PG playing today. I love his game. But the Spurs are 4-1 in no small part due to the way Parker is absolutely dominating the opponents back-court. If this continues Parker has definitely taken the leap.
/shrug The fact that Parker is being mentioned in the same breath as Billups makes me happy honestly, and Parker has plenty of time to improve even more.
top 5 pg in tony parker? - no way - who is he better than ?:
jkidd
baron davis
andre miller
billups
francis
AI
marbury
nash
tj ford
dwayne wade
gilbert arenas
mike bibby
??
you're all comparing two players so different one from the other. First to really compare thing they have to be comparable, so maybe at the end of their career, we could compare their performance, but for todays you're comparing a player who is on his prime, with a team which fits perfectly with his speed & game to a player who is still very young, playing for a team which has a total different focus to his own (I would love see parker's production in a team like the Suns or other high speed caliber teams) and still improving a lot of his game aspects.
I would say yes Billups todays fit better to the Pistons game, however he doesn't have the possibility to change the way pistons play, parker yes... What would be Parker's production when he gains consistancy on his shot? Imagine the open space to drive to the rim (and if you take into consideration the stats table above, he should increase by far his number of points), the fact that increasing his shots would as well be really effective with the number of free throw he has each game...
And concerning the fact that he is surrounded by better offensive players would help him to get more assists . However when you have someone like Tim or Manu who has great passing abilities should have the opposite effect... not easy to say who is the best. At least, when it's a one on one, I would vote for Billups but only based on last year and because Spurs are a team which doesn't have a unique tempo, they had adapted their speed to the Piston's one, which doesn't help Parker who needs spaces & quick games...
With the time passing, i am more and more F***ed up with all these people unable to recognise what Parker brings to the spurs and to recognise his tremendous evolution during the past four years in NBA....
But... I am SO HAPPY when someone like SouthernFried brings a clear and comprehensible overview of what is really at stake when there is the debate of comparing players....
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Better than those 3 which puts him in the top 10.
I dont know if I would put Parker ahead of Bibby or Andre - TJ Ford maybe but in 2 more years TJ Ford could have the same erratic shot that TP has and they will be the same player. Francis - No way is TP better than Francis - a consistent all-star - granted I don't want him on the Spurs because of his need to dominate the ball for 22 seconds of the shot clock but he can play. It is silly to say TP Is better than Marbury - just silly - and you can call Dwayne Wade a 2 all you want but the truth of the matter is he is just like AI - he bring it up more than anyone else on that team and initiates the offense.
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so if I eliminate the names you did - that makes parker 8th
right now...Parker is playing like a top 5 PG...its still early but he is playing really well. Hopefully he can do this all season.
Yes...which is exactly where I think he is...although that's without putting emphasis on this season's play so far. If he continue the way he has been these past 5 games...then he's Top 5 or 6 IMO.
The way you were implying and stating, Parker isn't even Top 15, which is a ridiculous statement...esp considering the other "Point Guards" you had on your list...
actually i responded to a previous statement where pop said that he was a top 5 and I listed some names to see who he was better than - I mean you can add Sam Cassell, Smush Parker, MArko Jaric and some of those guys but I didn't think there was a question - the ones I wrote down were the names that struck me as some good point guards who I felt are as good or better than TP. I would say he is a top 10 pg - somewhere between 8 and 10 but then I am a little bias -- like you (although not to that extent) - I mean I didn't even put JAson Terry, Stoudamire or even Devin Harris who lit TP up when they played the Mavs.
Ummm, it's a good thing you didn't mention those names earlier because I would have laughed even more.
Allen Iverson
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Baron Davis
Gilbert Arenas
Chauncey Billups
I think those point guards are better than Tony Parker.
Stephon Marbury
Andre Miller
Mike Bibby
TJ Ford
Steve Francis
I think these point guards are at the same level as Tony Parker. However, the way Tony has been playing, he would currently be better than any of those guys.
Dwyane Wade is still more of a shotting guard, in my mind. If you are going to include Dwyane Wade in a list of point guards, you might as well add Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, and maybe even LeBron James (or Larry Hughes), because they bring up the ball and initiate the offense more than the "listed" point guard on their respective teams.
you would have laughed at what ? the way Devin Harris lit Tony Parker and the Spurs up ? yeah that would have been funny to laugh at.Ummm, it's a good thing you didn't mention those names earlier because I would have laughed even more.
I would put TP over Terry and Stoudemire (not a few years ago for Damon but I think he is in decline now) and Devin Harris was awesome but one game does not make a player automatically better. He was for one night but not neccessarily forever.
but parker is after 5 games ? the same parker who everyone wanted out for Jkidd a few years ago and the same Parker who lost minutes to Beno in crunch time becuase he got couled too hard and quit playing ?
which is exactly why I posted this:
right now...Parker is playing like a top 5 PG...its still early but he is playing really well. Hopefully he can do this all season.
so cant i say devin harris is playing like a top 5 pg - hopefully he can keep this up all season ?
Is Smush Parker a top 5 point guard? LOL!
I know he just had an ineffective game last night, but look at his first few games!
I would take Billups over Parker even early in the season because unlike Parker Billups plays defense. Devin Harris would not have such a great game if Billups was playing against him.
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