I am with marcus on this one! PJ is the answer
I may be wrong, but didn't Shaq bend him over with 60 points in one game? Of course, if you mean by "stay in a game single covering Shaq" that Kandi didn't foul out, then I withdraw my objection. He certainly didn't defend him.Kandi's the only guy available who can block shots and stay in a game single covering Shaq.
Okay, Archie. Forget I ever entertained the idea of Kidd and a center over the past week. Cling to the past year of me telling you to think "Olowokandi."
Nothing will ever make you happy.
Three years ago?I may be wrong, but didn't Shaq bend him over with 60 points in one game? Of course, if you mean by "stay in a game single covering Shaq" that Kandi didn't foul out, then I withdraw my objection. He certainly didn't defe
Jack sucked three years ago too.
Only played him once this year. Fouled out in 26 minutes but scored 15 first.
What do you want? He the closest we can come to single covering Shaq unless Rasho has some untapped potential we haven't seen.
Personally, I like PJ more than Kandi as a player. I think PJ is the better compliment to TD's game and would fit into our game very, very well.
In saying that, there have been some very god arguments raised about Kandi. If we could somehow eradicate the lazy streak from his game, he could make good.
Tough choice...
I have a bias towards Kandi's size and relative youth.
Guess I'm looking for a possible long term solution rather than a certain short term one.
Olowokandi has proven that he can play great basketball - in stretches. I think the criticism that he's lazy is mostly unwarranted. He is still very young to the game. He played small college basketball, and was drafted #1 simply because of his potential. He's been in a horrible situation as far as learning is concerned.
All of the above factors should be very encouraging to a team like us. We're not counting on him to be our dominant force down low. He can learn from one of the best post players ever in Duncan. He can improve and reach his potential. Other big men on our list have already reached their talent ceiling. Olowokandi isn't even close.
He's respectable now, and can only get better down the line. Sounds to me like he fits in perfectly with our plan to be good now while still planning for the future.
Sign him up, please.
pj brown is signed (so it seems) at 40 million for 4 years.
so i say sign kandi before denver offers him 100 million for 6?
this is insane... we could actually end up with rasho or maybe even nothing. at this point i think rc is scouting a very very tall dude at walmart to replace david... 30 million for 3 years? (that sounds about right)
Do we stand a chance to get him, or are we even talking to his agent? I'd like to have him, but is he interested and are the Spurs interested?
at this point its just speculation... the dude lives with his mom (inside scoop via a very important source) but lets all keep our fingers crossed...
I am determined not to gripe about this, but even the biggest homers here have to admit that the Fantasy Summer of 2003 plan, AKA the Holting Pattern, has blown up in our faces. If nothing else, the current situation is a far cry from what many envisioned two years ago.
Things will still work out, though. Somehow. We have the organization and players to make it happen. I believe.
Good post Admiral.
Things will work out. We will be 'okay', but things are not panning out as many envisioned.
In spite of all the bad news, this team is likely to return 6, perhaps even 7 players from the core 8-man rotation.
Still to be replaced are David and (perhaps) Speedy.
This team is one fortuiutous move for a center away from smiles and roses again.
:brotha
**** that. I'm with Marcus. I'll tell you why. I live in So Cal and I've watched his game for years. He is the epitome of big tease.
To say one can't have success on the Clippers means that Spurs fans don't watch much Clipper hoops...WELL I DO.
If Brand could succeed, if Maggete can have a good game, if QRich can show up, then why not Kandi? I'll tell you why, he thinks he is better than he is, he gives you these performances are awesome and that means he should get more touches. Then he gets them and you see clank, turnover, clank, spin left made short right hand hook off that low block spot, fadeaway spin right towards the center...clank.
His blocks are the result of good position D by others and him leaving his mark to get a weakside block. His d position is improving but I remember Amare on him...DO YOU?
Its frustrating. I will agree with Timvp on 1 thing. If he comes in cheap, it could be okay...one thing for sure...Lakerfans have been HOPING that we take Kandi...Something is wrong here.
brand can "succeed" because he was an "east allstar" before he got there and gets touches like an allstar... the rest of that team has a me first mentality that's never gone away no matter what personnel they bring in because they're always playing for contracts. (that they almost never get)
they've never had a true leader to run the club since kandi got there and he's gone through more coaches than the yankees in the 70's and 80's... he was drafted as the franchise savior and never put in a position to win. so he becomes the whipping boy in the media for everything that's wrong with the clips because fatass shaq plays in the same city that he does.
well if brand is so good... then why did the bulls suck? if brand is so good and its not the clipper system... then why didn't they make the playoffs last year? of course... kandi, right? (what was i thinking)
but lets get odom, maggette and brand... at least they're not pesky centers that can block shots (ewww... who needs that?) not the spurs.
I remember Juwan Howard on Tim Duncan earlier this year do you?His blocks are the result of good position D by others and him leaving his mark to get a weakside block. His d position is improving but I remember Amare on him...DO YOU?
I remember Steve Smith over the Admiral 5 years ago do you?
I remember Kevin Johnson over Hakeem in 1994 do you?
I remember Malik over Mutombo, do you?
Every center not named Shaq is gonna get facialed one way or another. There's no avoiding it. Besides, Amare can jump out of the gym. He's gonna be a great player in this league for a long time.
Dammit, we finally get a merciful end to all this Kidd madness and now everyone wants to jump off a cliff signing this waste of airspace.
Kandi sucks, Kandi does not want to play basketball. If Kandi had even had a mediocre season he would be signing a max contract this offseason. So what did Kandi do? Shot his career worst, even with Elton trying to set him up all year, turned it over...IF a guy can't even play good for purely selfish reasons he damn sure isn't gonna play good after he is getting paid big guaranteed money.
I don't know, call me silly but signing the guy who Shaq scored his career high against doesn't seem like the best way to beat LA this year. And maybe we should just be a little cautious before wasting cap space on a guy who missed the last 50 something games of the season.
Empty Air Space > Kandi
Kandi Man
12.3 Pts
2.2 blocks
9.1 rebounds
42% FG
66% FT
P.J. Brown
11 pts
9.0 rebounds
1 block
53% FG
83% FT
Rasho
11pts
6.5 boards
1.5 blocks
53% FG
65% FT
Brad Miller
13 pts
8.3 boards
0.6 blocks
49% FG
83% FT
Now other than FG% which should improve by playing with Duncan, why is everyone making like the other available big men are head and shoulders better than Kandi Man?
Maybe because Kandi's numbers are for 33 games? Maybe because out of all those guys Kandi is the one who could have legitimately established himself as a max player this year...and not only did he establish career worsts in some categories, with Elton trying to help him so he could stay in LA.....he didn't even play half the season.
I can's believe there is even a debate over whether Kandi or Brand is the better player...Brand's career lows are better in just about every category than Kandi's career highs.
And I don't like the idea of signing the guy that Shaq scored 61 points against. I mean the whole reason we need a quality bigman is to handle Shaq..So we go out and sign Shaq's biggest ?
No way.
STFU, Whott. what do yopu want us to do? Stand pat?
The front office will make a play at Brand first. If that failes, they'lll look at Odom, Nesterovic, Olowokandi and Arenas.
Next.
Miller, Nesterovich, even freaking Oakley, any center out there >>>>> Kandi
No it's not a question of talent..Kandi is the most talented still out there that is unrestricted..
It's a question of desire and Kandi doesn't want to play basketball...the minute he sees that freaking contract his appearances on the court are going to be rare.
If the best FA available was dog would you guys be advocating giving him a 6 year contract rather than trying the FA market again next year?
Anyone is better than Kandi....anyone
And do I have to spell it out again? Dunleavy coaching the Clips means no Elton.
Something for Whottt and I to agree on.
There is no next year. Understand that now. The Spurs will NOT have the cap room to pursue warm sppit next season. They have to resign SJAX and that will cost them at least 5 million in cap room and with the natural raises that would leave them with around$7-8 million left over at best except next season they will have two 1st round draft picks so knock off another $2 million at least. Then add on the fact that Manu will be a FA they will have to use all their space on signing him because they will not have the MLE.
The comparison is not Brand vs Kandi. Brand is going to squeeze the MAX out as opposed to Kandi at about 1/2 the cost.
And this crap about 'character' guys went out the window when they threw $92 million at the wife beater. Which IMO is more horrible than anything Odom has ever done. Did I mention that Odom was a 6'10 SF with great ball handling, shot blocking, and PG skills. He could actually slide over to PF in a pinch to match up better with bigger teams.
PG Parker
SG Manu
SF Bowen
PF Odom
C Duncan
PG Parker, Travis Best, Steve kerr
SG Manu, SJAX
SF Odom, Bowen, Danny Ferry
PF Duncan, Rose
C Brad Miller, Willis
Jack's an Early Bird free agent so he only counts at 130% of last year's ($699k) salary until he is re-signed, renounced, or signed by another team. Once the Spurs 'use up' their $16.3 mil in cap flexibility they can then go over the cap to re-sign Jack. It's like having an extra $4 mil in cap room.
no one's saying kandi is better than brand... my point was don't use rehashed ing arguments to not sign a center when you need one...
"not having heart" is what the national media accused david robinson of for a very long time, or does everyone in here have that short of a memory?
and if i have to write this for the mentally impaired... no, i'm not saying kandi is better than david robinson either. but whatever... does anyone know how our talks are going with that very very tall guy from walmart?
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