Why would you store them instead of administer them? They last up to 15 days on dry ice if it's replenished.Now multiply that times enough freezers to store a billion doses spread in every corner of the US.
Thats not even mentioning transportation logistics.
Its ok Nancy. This is hard.
Do you think this isn't already being done worldwide with other medical items?3rd world ignorance
Just admit some of you don't know the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit.
I am a public health doctor and other vaccinations have a cold chain and:or take multiple doses. Nothing to see here except some logistics challenges. I have given vaccines in Nigeria and South America and believe my the USA can get many people vaccinated and props this vaccine if truly proves 90 per cent effective.
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We shall see nancy.
This thread aint going away. So we will report as the show develops
We shall see nancy.
This thread aint going away. So we will report as the show develops
Dry ice shortage could slow down COVID-19 vaccine distribution
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...on/ar-BB1aT7SN
lol if a CO2 shortage limits distributionHowever, there's a shortage of CO2 caused by the pandemic, which is delaying the production of dry ice and could ultimately slow down vaccine distribution.
There will be issues with any vaccine but considering the alternative this country will work through!
Why lol?
The storage problem was pointed out by others weeks ago in related threads, it's not like this is a surprise or anything. This is one of the things we knew about the Pfizer vaccine.Why would you store them instead of administer them? They last up to 15 days on dry ice if it's replenished.
Do you think this isn't already being done worldwide with other medical items?
Just admit some of you don't know the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit.
https://indianexpress.com/article/wo...ccess-6789108/
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines...id-19-vaccines
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...they-work.html
There will be more than one approved vaccine likely this coming year and each may have its pros and cons but some are acting like any issue is a show stopper. It is incredibly complicated to develop, transport and give vaccines for public health usage, but it can be done effectively even way back to the earliest polio campaigns. Props to all those working to make this happen and put politics aside.
i didnt confuse anything. and i never said anything wasnt doable. i simply said that most hospitals and clinics do not have those types of freezers.
and apparently its all a piece of cake in your mind "oh yeah, lets just spend billions on getting a bunch of tiny freezers manufactured and transported to all the hospitals and clinics in america to get over a hundred million people vaccinated!" shouldnt take any time at all i supposeAll this guessing and parlor talk from dabblers is amusing, but needless. It's not at all uncommon for these things to ship on dry ice and be stored for days that way. A small ultra low temp freezer can store up to 40K 2mL vials. Are people worried that small towns can't afford a $6.5K freezer?
https://k2sci.com/10-cu-ft-ultra-low...saAhvEEALw_wcB
Your end of world types would if you were hung with a new rope.
again no one said its not doable, just that its going to take a lot more time and effort than some people seem to think, especially factoring in the utter inep ude of the government in general. and lets not act like its a done deal that this vaccine is even the solution. lol didnt reports say it was 90% effective in less than 100 tests? rofl not much of a sample size, doesnt account for the constant mutation that has been seen around the world, and doesnt give us any idea of how long the immunity will actually last. maybe theres more than meets the eye, im no scientist obviously. to me, there is nothing too terribly encouraging about the reports so far. then again its better than nothing at all.
Not to mention seems this vaccine has medium side effects according to ppl that took it. Headaches, body aches, etc.i didnt confuse anything. and i never said anything wasnt doable. i simply said that most hospitals and clinics do not have those types of freezers.
and apparently its all a piece of cake in your mind "oh yeah, lets just spend billions on getting a bunch of tiny freezers manufactured and transported to all the hospitals and clinics in america to get over a hundred million people vaccinated!" shouldnt take any time at all i suppose
again no one said its not doable, just that its going to take a lot more time and effort than some people seem to think, especially factoring in the utter inep ude of the government in general. and lets not act like its a done deal that this vaccine is even the solution. lol didnt reports say it was 90% effective in less than 100 tests? rofl not much of a sample size, doesnt account for the constant mutation that has been seen around the world, and doesnt give us any idea of how long the immunity will actually last. maybe theres more than meets the eye, im no scientist obviously. to me, there is nothing too terribly encouraging about the reports so far. then again its better than nothing at all.
those are listed on every vaccine you take. , my dog has puked after getting a rabies shot
Amazing I have worked in public health 25 years and helped with vaccine campaigns in three countries and amazed at all the “expertise” who feel US cannot deploy vaccines - sure there will be issues and the media will dramatize every one but in the end dozens of millions will be vaccinated. This is not friggin Nigeria where I did polio work where the dysfunctional government impeded things. It may take awhile and it won’t be easy and without issues but the USA will get it done- book it.
Nigeria did q better job containing the pandemic. Btw nigeria did an excellent job vs ebola as well.
Im tired of "experts" saying this is tbe USA and we will do excellent.
That ship has sailed. It has sailed with 250k rotting american corpses. Sorry
You're a vaccine expert too?
Dude, I quoted you "1) -80 is not -94, which is the required storage temperature"
Then I showed you the actual quote from the website:
"The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below."
In fact the required storage temp is given in F, not C. The freezer is -80 degrees C. Plenty cold for -94 degrees F requirement.
You're the one who argued against the -80 degree freezer without knowing anything about it.
It is a piece of cake. Buy freezers, install them. Done.and apparently its all a piece of cake in your mind "oh yeah, lets just spend billions on getting a bunch of tiny freezers manufactured and transported to all the hospitals and clinics in america to get over a hundred million people vaccinated!" shouldnt take any time at all i suppose
again no one said its not doable, just that its going to take a lot more time and effort than some people seem to think, especially factoring in the utter inep ude of the government in general. and lets not act like its a done deal that this vaccine is even the solution. lol didnt reports say it was 90% effective in less than 100 tests? rofl not much of a sample size, doesnt account for the constant mutation that has been seen around the world, and doesnt give us any idea of how long the immunity will actually last. maybe theres more than meets the eye, im no scientist obviously. to me, there is nothing too terribly encouraging about the reports so far. then again its better than nothing at all.
I hear COVID has a few as well.
88000 pharmacies in the US. about 6500 hospitals, 1500 or so clinics. If we say a hundred thousand sites for covid vaccine administering, and not a single one has an ultra low temp storage unit, then we put on average a 12K dollar unit in each location, that's about 1.2 billion. That's pocket change compared to the alternative and what we've already spent on testing in only one or two states. This is not a logistical issue. This is already happening with other instrumentation across the globe daily. For Hooterville and Podunk, mobile labs with on-board freezers and doc in a box at your beckon call.
lol we had already been talking about the degrees in F. you suddenly changed it to C without clarification. I literally had nothing confused here
that's two steps among many others to get the vaccine distributed. good for you though!
lol so apparently there's no cost for the vaccine, transportation, labor, training, among many other things. you're completely re ed
again no one is saying it's astronomically expensive or difficult. just that it's still going to take some time, preparation and money, none of which the government seems particularly good at managing so far.
Man, can't imagine a dysfunctional government impeding action against COVID here.
Nope, just trying to share such correct information as may be known to me. Please feel free to add your own sources of information, if any.
From the looks of it, the logistical software will probably fail before anything else.
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