Should Spurs claim anyone off waivers

[koriwhat]

He gave Bertans away for Marcus Morris

Nah he gave him away for nothing... MM's word is good for nothing and that's exactly what we got back.

[Excessive Egotist]

I wouldn't claim Dzanan Musa, but Spurs might consider him for a 15th spot. He's a weird offensive player. His free throw percentage and form make believe he should be able to become a decent three point shooter, but he's awful from the arc (which is why I'd pass on him). Shame, he has good size and can grab and go and push the pace on offense.

Unless there is a good prospect that emerges or comes available, I'd keep the spot open. San Antonio can promote one of their two-ways at midseason or accommodate an extra player in 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 midseason trade scenarios. Although, I suppose they could always just waive a Cam Reynolds type 15th man if clearing roster space was necessary.

The devil's advocate defense of Musa is that he's only 21.

[NASpurs]

I wouldn't claim Dzanan Musa, but Spurs might consider him for a 15th spot. He's a weird offensive player. His free throw percentage and form make believe he should be able to become a decent three point shooter, but he's awful from the arc (which is why I'd pass on him). Shame, he has good size and can grab and go and push the pace on offense.

Unless there is a good prospect that emerges or comes available, I'd keep the spot open. San Antonio can promote one of their two-ways at midseason or accommodate an extra player in 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 midseason trade scenarios. Although, I suppose they could always just waive a Cam Reynolds type 15th man if clearing roster space was necessary.

The devil's advocate defense of Musa is that he's only 21.

You know it's coming, I'm surprised it hasn't been announced yet

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I know what game you're playing, but if you want to bull me, try harder Mr. DeRozan's Range Starts At 15.

The guy was a rotation player, with decent metrics (I also personally saw him play a lot), on one of the best teams in the league.

Once upon a time, the likes of Green and Millls were once out of the league, then walked on to one of the best teams in it and within' short order were crucial role players.

Green wasn’t out of the league for long, and most of it was at ude. He was cut by the Spurs on his first go around.

Patty was never out of the league on talent. He signed in China during the last lockout, and as soon as their season was over, he signed with the Spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trey Lyles hit 2 shots in 3 preseason games. I'd rather have MKG than him tbh

[J_Paco]

It's all relative, genius. They're big wing defenders, which right there makes them a scarcity and as I alluded to, when played with four out spacing, can be useful in bursts. They're also veteran's minimum types.

It's funny, I seen you agreeing with my assessment of Murray in another thread, but when it comes from me I'm supposedly " ing" and when it comes from you you're somehow doing something else.

Murray's being drafted 29th became irrelevant the second they decided it would be intelligent to invest 4/$64M in him to allegedly play "PG".

I'm not constantly ing about his play or contract like you. I realize he has clear issues in his game (volume perimeter scoring, playmaking & ballhandling) but those are mostly do to his role & being miscast as a lead guard.

I've said since he tore his ACL & Derrick emerged as a viable option that White should be the starting PG, DeJounte should be moved to SG permanently, playing a similar role to Bruce Bowen/Danny Green (more slashing, cutting and attacking off-ball) & that Pop's overcoaching stagnated that.

I like Hollis-Jefferson, but he is an atrocious perimeter shooter that doesn't have an offensive role in the modern NBA. He played well in bursts last year, but was barely used come playoff time because of his inability to shot the rock.

DeJounte did exactly what he couldn't (only low volume) yet here you are arguing a non-shooting, tweener wing (with no individual offensive creating skills) has more value than a guy that is clearly better than him.

Where is the facepalm GIF when you need it.

[J_Paco]

Trey Lyles hit 2 shots in 3 preseason games. I'd rather have MKG than him tbh

Trey has way more of a chance of regaining his three-point stroke (38.7% last year & 34.1% for his career) over a 27.2% career three-point shooter, but please ontinue with the stupid takes.

If either guy was on the team and getting consistent minutes,lthese same people touting them would be screaming bloody murder.

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Green wasn’t out of the league for long, and most of it was at ude. He was cut by the Spurs on his first go around.

Patty was never out of the league on talent. He signed in China during the last lockout, and as soon as their season was over, he signed with the Spurs.

Length of time is irrelevant in this case.

I know, but the point stands. There's guys who come over from Europe relatively late and are rotation players in the NBA, guys cut who come back years later and are semi prominent players, etc.

I'm not constantly ing about his play or contract like you. I realize he has clear issues in his game (volume perimeter scoring, playmaking & ballhandling) but those are mostly do to his role & being miscast as a lead guard.

I've said since he tore his ACL & Derrick emerged as a viable option that White should be the starting PG, DeJounte should be moved to SG permanently, playing a similar role to Bruce Bowen/Danny Green (more slashing, cutting and attacking off-ball) & that Pop's overcoaching stagnated that.

I like Hollis-Jefferson, but he is an atrocious perimeter shooter that doesn't have an offensive role in the modern NBA. He played well in bursts last year, but was barely used come playoff time because of his inability to shot the rock.

DeJounte did exactly what he couldn't (only low volume) yet here you are arguing a non-shooting, tweener wing (with no individual offensive creating skills) has more value than a guy that is clearly better than him.

Where is the facepalm GIF when you need it.

In other words, I caught your hypocrisy, so now you're moving the goal posts. Wait, did you just unwittingly critique Pop? I guess that means you're not a "real" fan now.

The listing is irrelevant. When Murray plays alongside DeRozan and White, he'll mostly be off ball.

His offensive role is that, provided you have four out spacing, he allows you to effectively play big and small simultaneously. He was barely used in the playoffs because he was the 9th man in a team that was strong 1-8.

I never said he had more value than Murray, you just made that up.

[J_Paco]

In other words, I caught your hypocrisy, so now you're moving the goal posts. Wait, did you just unwittingly critique Pop? I guess that means you're not a "real" fan now.

The listing is irrelevant. When Murray plays alongside DeRozan and White, he'll mostly be off ball.

His offensive role is that, provided you have four out spacing, he allows you to effectively play big and small simultaneously. He was barely used in the playoffs because he was the 9th man in a team that was strong 1-8.

I never said he had more value than Murray, you just made that up.

I'm not moving any goal posts, jackass.

I thought DeJounte should play alongside Derrick as the starting SG since the beginning of last season, Pop attempting to "develop" both was futile (since they need to see court time together to maximize their potential) & Pop did a poor job of coaching both (and Lonnie) all of last season (until the NBA Bubble).

Note: Criticizing Pop is fine based on his stubborn, poor effort coaching last season. That doesn't invalidate or effect everything he did prior to that.

The "listing" matters cause right now DeJounte is miscast as a PG (primary or secondary ballhandler) in most lineups. He clearly isn't that and is better off as a off-ball, defensive-minded SG.

I'll let you continue to pretend position assignments no longer exist, though.

Hollis-Jefferson didn't play cause he is a terrible perimeter shooter (would've been ignored by Boston/Brooklyn on offense), his solid individual defense is less important in their zone scheme & he was just a regular season minutes eater.

Now, he was cast aside & finds himself without a team until he improves his glaring weakness.

Wow, you admitted that DeJounte's actually better than someone. Holy !

Anyway, Hollis-Jefferson's "value" is a scrappy, hustle player that can eat minutes in the regular season but nothing more with his non-existant offensive game.

DeJounte's true value is murky until Pop realizes his better role is off-ball playing alongside Derrick. He's proven to be more valuable than a fringe NBA player like Rondae.

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I'm not moving any goalposts, jackass.

I thought DeJounte should play alongside Derrick as the starting SG since last year, attempting to "develop" both was futile (since they need to see court time together to maximize their potential) & Pop did a poor job of coaching both (and Lonnie) all of last season (until the NBA Bubble).

The "listing" matters cause right now DeJounte is miscast as a PG (primary or secondary ballhandler) in most lineups. He clearly isn't that and is better off as a off-ball, defensive-minded SG.

I'll let you continue to pretend position assignments no longer exist, though.

Hollis-Jefferson didn't play cause he is a terrible perimeter shooter (would be ignored by any team on offense), his solid individual defense is less important in their zone scheme & he was a regular season minutes eater.

Now, he was cast aside & finds himself without a team until he improves his glaring weakness.

Wow, you admitted that DeJounte's actually better than someone. Holy !

Anyway, Hollis-Jefferson's "value" is a scrappy, hustle player that can eat minutes in the regular season but nothing more with his non-existant offensive game.

DeJounte's true value is murky until Pop realizes his better role is off-ball playing alongside Derrick. He's proven to be more valuable than a fringe NBA player like Rondae.

You are, genius. You did what I did, slapped a different label on it, then tried to make it about how you perceive the majority of my posts to be.

I'm saying if/when they get back to the starting 1-3 from the bubble, the listing won't matter because he'll be forced into more of an off ball role.

Right and he was also the 9th man on a team that was strong 1-8. This is irrelevant anyway though considering my point is he can be a rotation player in the right context, which he's proven.

Again, whether with Murray or others, it's all relative.

[J_Paco]

You are, genius. You did what I did, slapped a different label on it, then tried to make it about how you perceive the majority of my posts to be.

I'm saying if/when they get back to the starting 1-3 from the bubble, the listing won't matter because he'll be forced into more of an off ball role.

Right and he was also the 9th man in a team that was strong 1-8. This is irrelevant anyway though considering my point is he can be a rotation player in the right context.

Again, whether with Murray or others, it's all relative.

Whatever, man.

Hollis-Jefferson lost his spot in the rotation because he can't shot & has little value come playoff time. The context doesn't matter when non-shooters are regularly exposed and exploited when it matters most.

Even a perennial lottery team valued other players over his defense, hustle & limited offensive skills. That is all that needs to be said but you keep going on and on.

DeMar isn't a long-term piece on this team or in the rotation. It goes beyond just the Bubble lineup and adjusting DeJounte's role overall, "genius."

And I didn't state what you said previously. I never questioned DeJounte's salary, why he's on the team or if he can co-exist with White, Johnson or our other prospects.

And that isn't totally on you or anyone else because Pop continues to trot DeJounte out as a PG, asking him to create for himself & others. Until that changes the complaining will continue...

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Trey Lyles hit 2 shots in 3 preseason games. I'd rather have MKG than him tbh

Not the biggest Trey fan, but that’s a tiny sample that goes against the grain of his career. Trey will hit comfortably more jump shot in general, and three pointers in detail than MKG will for the rest of their careers

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Whatever, man.

Hollis-Jefferson lost his spot in the rotation because he can't shot & has little value come playoff time. The context doesn't matter when non-shooters are regularly exposed and exploited when it matters most.

Even a perennial lottery team valued other players over his defense, hustle & limited offensive skills. That is all that needs to be said but you keep going on and on.

DeMar isn't a long-term piece on this team or in the rotation. It goes beyond just the Bubble lineup and adjusting DeJounte's role overall, "genius."

And I didn't state what you said previously. I never questioned DeJounte's salary, why he's on the team or if he can co-exist with White, Johnson or our other prospects.

And that isn't totally on you or anyone else because Pop continues to trot DeJounte out as a PG, asking him to create for himself & others. Until that changes the complaining will continue...

In other words, you concede.

What does that have to do with my initial point, which I just reiterated? It's you who've gone on and on about a simple, undisputable point.

Fair enough, but you still need multiple creators to relegate Murray to a Bowen/Green role and obviously he has to up his 3-point volume considerably while more or less maintaining the percentage.

There's a conceivable path to his co-existing, but to what end? We'll see with Johnson, but the most likely outcome is this is a collection of good role players, some of whom will have to masquerade in star roles, if there's a bridge between Aldridge-DeRozan and whoever they draft that's capable of filling the role.

[J_Paco]

In other words, you concede.

What does that have to do with my initial point, which I just reiterated? It's you who've gone on and on about a simple, undisputable point.

Fair enough, but you still need multiple creators to relegate Murray to a Bowen/Green role and obviously he has to up his 3-point volume considerably while more or less maintaining the percentage.

There's a conceivable path to his co-existing, but to what end? We'll see with Johnson, but the most likely outcome is this is a collection of good role players, some of whom will have to masquerade in star roles, if there's a bridge between Aldridge-DeRozan and whoever they draft that's capable of filling the role.

That Hollis-Jefferson is practically useless in today's NBA & has to find some semblance of an offensive game to regain a NBA roster? Yes, I agree with that.

Took you forever but you finally caught on...

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That Hollis-Jefferson is practically useless in today's NBA & has to find some semblance of an offensive game to regain a NBA roster? Yes, I agree with that.

Took you forever but you finally caught on...

So useless that he was a decent contributor on one of the best teams in the league last season, but who needs facts when you've got the disapproval of the guy who thought DeRozan's range started at 15.

[J_Paco]

So useless that he was a decent contributor on one of the best teams in the league last season, but who needs facts when you've got the disapproval of the guy who thought DeRozan's range started at 15.

And now he finds himself castaway by a terrible, lottery bound Minnesota team after Toronto choice not to retain him.

And it would be great if he did improve his outside shooting because he's still young, has athleticism to spare & is plus defender. Unfortunately, his lack of shooting has him on the outside looking in......

Oh well. Next please.....

Also, I definitely don't recall saying DeMar could fetch a lottery pick but maybe I typed it while drunk or something. I definitely was hoping Golden State would be dumb enough to trade the #2 overall pick for LaMarcus.

Obviously, their front-office ain't that stupid much to my dismay.

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[RC_Drunkford]

Trey has way more of a chance of regaining his three-point stroke (38.7% last year & 34.1% for his career) over a 27.2% career three-point shooter, but please ontinue with the stupid takes.

If either guy was on the team and getting consistent minutes,lthese same people touting them would be screaming bloody murder.

Wow a 7% difference on a volume of 3 attempts per game. What a huge difference
maker. MKG is a better defender so I would assume that would offset that 0.2 point per game difference

[R. DeMurre]

The irony of course is that RHJeff is universally seen as a guy who can't shoot at all, but DeRozan is a #1 option on offense.

Last year, Derozan took 45% of his shots from between 10' and the 3 pt line. Here are his career %s alongside some other career %s:

10'-16'
DeRozan: 43%
RHJeff: 40.6%

16'-3pt line
DeRozan: 38.6%
RHJeff: 37.1%
Aldridge: 42.3%
Dejounte: 40%
D White: 46%

Yes, DeRozan's %s closer to the basket are much better than RHJ's, but still... as wing players who can't hit threes, they're more similar than they should be.

[rankingtear]

The irony of course is that RHJeff is universally seen as a guy who can't shoot at all, but DeRozan is a #1 option on offense.

Last year, Derozan took 45% of his shots from between 10' and the 3 pt line. Here are his career %s alongside some other career %s:

10'-16'
DeRozan: 43%
RHJeff: 40.6%

16'-3pt line
DeRozan: 38.6%
RHJeff: 37.1%
Aldridge: 42.3%
Dejounte: 40%
D White: 46%

Yes, DeRozan's %s closer to the basket are much better than RHJ's, but still... as wing players who can't hit threes, they're more similar than they should be.

RHJ shot chart is probably closer to Jakob than Derozan.

[J_Paco]

Wow a 7% difference on a volume of 3 attempts per game. What a huge difference
maker. MKG is a better defender so I would assume that would offset that 0.2 point per game difference

Its about floor spacing and the fact that MKG is completely ignored on offense, genius.

If you actually paid attention to him last year in Charlotte & Dallas, then you'd realize that his defensive abilities have declined. As he's aged & lost a lot of lateral quickness because of all the lower body injuries.

He's also become a terrible finisher at the rim, so slashing, cutting and being a lob threat are no longer an option either. He's essentially useless on the offensive end of he court.

Trey can take & make three-pointers at a much higher volume (6.3 3PA per 100 possessions last year, 7.3 3PA for his career) than a non-shooting, huge offensive liability like Kidd-Gilchrist.