Probably a good idea too to watch the Hawks this season for John Collins alone if you have access to league pass or streams, if you have time.
Make it worth crying over John after the Spurs (probably) make zero effort to go after him next offseason. Then, you can tell us why the Spurs missed out and your reasons would be legitimate and well-informed because you actually watched John play!
Same for Lauri. I just watched some highlights just now (not as good as watching the full game) from the the Bulls' first regular season game and I vomited in my mouth a little. The dude is terrible and not anywhere close to being worth the max.
If there's any great takeaway I have from all this,
It's that it's better to have your superstar (likely developed from within) already in hand before you go after a gamble like John.
John alone is likely not a first or second option star on a championship team, so why go after Chris Bosh when you don't have LeBron or Wade yet?
Also, if White can make a big jump to borderline All Star like few of us believe he can, that's insane value on his contract that we have him locked up for.
There's no way that DeRozan signs a 20 million dollar contract. Maybe something close to what he's getting now, 27-29 million, but nothing less than that. There will be teams overpaying for sure. He actually fits in very well with this new style of play, so I'm not opposed to resigning him.$20,000,000 (Key Starter money) is good value for DeMar. Re-sign Gay for $8,000,000 (2nd Unit Money). Sign PJ Tucker or LaMarcus Aldridge with the rest (6th Man Money).
People might hate it, but we could very well end up with:
It would be the most "Spurs" thing to do. No major commitments. The contracts to DeMar, Rudy, and PJ could be made two year deals. We keep our flexibility for a real star to pay for the following year.
Not exactly the path I support, but I could totally see this happening.
People looking forward to a complete overhaul are in for a rude awakening... lol
It would be a tough sell, for sure. But maybe he's grown attached to the organization, teammates, and city that's he'll take a paycut. Otherwise, the only way $27 mil would be okay is if it were on 1 or 2 year deals. We'd probably lose out on a veteran in the pool (like PJ or Aldridge) because of that. I'd be okay with it.
Relax ain’t nobody worth the is gonna want to sign here.
This migjt be demars last chance to get a big contract so i doubt he'll take a paycut.
lol no way. He's not Manu and I assume he would want a longer contract
Right, DDR will be 32 next season, so he'll be keenly interested in his "last big contract." Gotta be.
Do you think the Leonard thing will attract a max fa ?
So I would not want LMA or DDR back unless they would come real cheap which I dont think either would. Im talking 15 mil for each and even then only like a 2 year deal. I would still probably be against signing them as we need to move on and the only way we can is to let them go. Also with the extra money we can front load contracts. I know we already signed white but if we would not have been able to find someone we could have front loaded his contract. Still give him the 74 but do something like 27 22 15 10. this would give us more cap room in the future for us to do the same and try and lure other players away by front loading it. Also helps with us signing our own guys and not hitting the tax in future years and making him easier to trade if needed. I know you can do a decreasing load I just dont know the rules behind it.
You might be right, but Demar's a unique individual. He's a weird dude.
I wouldn't dot that 'i' quite yet.
By the by: great thread Dejounte.
Rudy Gay has been here for four years, and each contract has been 1 year, 2 year deals. The reason for multi-year contracts is security. There's also security when there's trust. The Spurs are a loyal organization and if they told DeMar they want him as a Spur forever but he's gotta work with them, then I think DeMar would be keen on working it out.
Rudy took the first one as he was coming back from injury. He took the second one because we overpaid him to take a 2 year deal and we were contenders. He was looking at MLE money if we did not sign him but we signed him for almost double MLE so he got his 4 year pay in 2.
Is not who we're talking about.
My comment was about DDR.
Yeah, I know. I was providing an example of how "last big contracts" can be secured in different ways, depending on the team.
Between 18-22 mil per year x 3 ( 3rd year player option ) for DeMar works. PJ would be a solid addition + solid young big man. I know some negative Nancy’s don’t want to hear but our drafting prowess has paid dividends and we are on a upward trajectory! Enjoy the ride..... Merry Christmas
Agreed. Collins has some nice attributes, but I don't think he can lead a team to a championship, even a deep team. I guess the only argument for him would be that his max would still be lower than the current max contracts of guys like LeBron, Giannis, or Kawhi.
I agree that generally a true superstar is pretty vital to a championship, but the Spurs probably have a legit claim to the last championship that didn't feature a superstar in his prime... In '14, Duncan, Ginobili, & Parker were still very effective, but all past their peaks, and Kawhi, while extremely effective wasn't yet a star... so maybe if anyone can hope to win a future le without a max superstar, at least the Spurs can be in that conversation.
Have to disagree. Kawhi turned into a superstar and everyone looking back at it would say his s om really started in 2013/2014 les vs the heatles. Aside from some on ST, most nba fans would not agree that the 2014 spurs didn’t have a superstar.
to me the only le team to win it without a superstar since the 79’ Sonics is the 2004 Pistons. No one else comes close.
In terms of advanced stats & effectiveness, I agree Kawhi was already at star level, but I think going into those playoffs after a season where he averaged 13 & 6, few were saying he was in the same tier as any of the top ten finishers in the MVP voting. That season, Timmy & Parker finished tied for 12th in MVP voting, and Kawhi didn't get any votes at all.
The thing I'll always remember about 2004 is that Bill Russell predicted the Pistons would beat the Lakers because of their defense, and a whole bunch of people on a basketball website I was following way back then were clowning him & saying he was old and didn't understand the modern game. That was pretty great.
S bag wasn't a star, let alone superstar, in '14.
All max contracts are not created equal . . .
Players with 0-6 years of experience can earn up to 25% of the cap.
Players with 7-9 years of experience can earn up to 30% of the cap.
Players with 10+ years of experience can earn up to 35% of the cap.
Collins would obviously fit into column A. Whether he's worth it or not is irrelevant in this case because either way it's close enough and if they want him, it'll have to be that, probably along with a certain structure (frontloaded, trade kicker) to dissuade them from matching.
Sure, barring Johnson becoming at least a borderline superstar, the core would have a sub championship ceiling, but most do and it's clear the front office isn't interested in tanking to increase the odds of drafting such a player, so adding another significant young piece for essentially free could take precedence. Ac ulate enough of those and they'd be simultaneously building a package for a possible star trade.
It was NOT widely recognized Kawhi being a superstar in 2014; stop making up stuff to support your position sir! We can win without a single focal pointed player until one emerges as Leonard did
Is Jaylon Brown a Star?
He's their second go-to guy who doesn't struggle to score when needed so I personally think so.
If all our young guys can average around 16 5 5 then I am happy for the team to not have a superstar. As all our young guys have shown potential on 2 ways image harden, Luca, Westbrook has to deal with white, DJM, Walker Vasell all game it's like no rest the whole game and even when switch. Whereas our guys can catch a breather even when they are on court.
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