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Actually, Indiana now might not be a bad team to trade with.
The Spurs are in a unique situation they can probably never again attain while remaining compe ive. Ginobili and Jackson will have to be paid, a bigman wil have to be paid, and Parker will be due a big paycheck by then. Holding cap space is not an option again when you have Tim Duncan in his prime right now.the spurs could look for deals that contracts end again
the spurs were looking to trade smith for spree last year...
I'm thinking along these lines. Let's say West likes Arenas and Arenas is willing to go to Memphis for $8 million. We take Arenas and trade him to Memphis for Gasol and maybe pick up a slightly but not too onerous contract as well that would expire in 2 or 3 years.
All I have to say now is that if Kidd really wanted a championship like he says he does, he would go and take less money (like Payton and Malone) for the benefit of the team (whether it be the Nets or Spurs) so that the team could get other guys to make them better.
actually base... if the spurs went after zo and offered him 10million for one year... use the 6 left over to resign speedy and jax to contracts that would be back loaded (a little) and then sign a bunch of vet mins... they'd have most of the championship cast back... zo would get a big pay day and a chance for a ring... we'd have money next year to try to maybe get brand and squeeze in manu? right?
This is exactly my point.
Yes, it is very nice to have a lot of cap room, and amazing flexibility. Yes, it was awesome that the Spurs were able to win the NBA le in 2003. But are you telling me that Pop and Co. were hoping that this rebuilding project would yield the chance to get Brad Miller, or Kandi? I don't think so. This idea was started in mind because a slew of FA's were supposed to be available this summer. Nowitzki, Pierce, Vince Carter, Jason Kidd, J' O'neal, Malone, Payton, Mourning, etc. This pond is slowly dwindling, and the team that was supposed to be the most desireable option for these guys, has a chance of not getting ANY of them! This is my opinion on the flaw of this HOLTING PATTERN. The problem started last summer, when a lot of the younger FA's re-upped with their current teams via extensions. Paul Pierce and Nowitzki come to mind. This was unexpected, but the economic climate of the NBA made these players decided that the extension was better than the unknown future. Now we're in this summer, and the only viable player left is Jason Kidd, who might be using the Spurs to gain leverage against the Nets!
This is not to say the Spurs are doomed, because they aren't. They still have a solid team, and Tim Duncan. But to also say that the summer is going as they hoped so far is a bit of a stretch.
They never looked at this as a free agency bonaza they looked at it as giving themselves the chance to build the team around Duncan once DRob retired. If they got a star, great. If not, then fine, work with what you have.
whatever adidas... just pray fatass isn't chewing on alot of twinkies and fat burgers... and kobe stays out of jail. (you want to see crying? - wait until that happens)
the spurs are in good shape... the only reason it looks bad is because the media and the no limit army were stuck on one dude for 2 years...
MissAllThat, why should Kidd take less money? He's 30 years old, and this is probably his last opportunity to land a maximum contract in his career. He's not like Payton and Malone, both of who are older, and weren't going to command anywhere near max contracts. Perhaps Kidd is looking out for his family first, and the generations of Kidd's down the road who that money can go towards.
As a professional, your #1 goal is to maximize your profits, within reason. To this point in his career, Kidd has not been "paid" yet. This is his chance to finally get "paid". I've been saying this for a long time, money WILL play a difference in this outcome, not the chance to POSSIBLY win a championship with another team.
Of course it's taking a chance, but it's not like the Spurs never tried a trade in the meantime (see Smitty for Spree). There are probably more that we'll never hear about.
They decided that, in the face of not getting the trades they actually wanted and not some crap Sam Smith dreamed up, this was the way to go.
The best you guys can say now is that the Spurs may have won two championships instead of one. Big whoop. I say they did win one championship.
Adidas, I'm not saying he has to take less, I'm just saying that it's either about the money or the championship. Plus, I don't think the Kidds really 90+ million dollars to lead a happy life. I'm sure Joumana could live without a hundred Gucci bags or Prada pants, but if that's what matters then that's cool. I'm not saying that him wanting all that money is bad, but if he really did want the championship he could sacrifice a few million dollars (and we all know he could make up for that with his endorsment deals anyway).
Damn it Adidas,
is it dissappointing that we don't have allstars lining up to suit up next to TD, yeah, but it's not the end of the world as we know it man...
This "rebuilding" project has netted a le and the opportunity to fill holes and win another one. What's not to like?
The Lakers will think the le is automatic, but shaq won't work as hard, malone won't work as hard (1.5) mil, and Payton has already said how FUN this season is gonna be. Gary is definitely gonna party it up in LA. They will be a formidable team, but not unbeatable by a longshot.
You guys can all suck it as far as I'm concerned. Don't get pissed at me because I fought the Holt-ing Pattern every step of the way.
Sh1t, I am showing more faith in it now than posters like Chump who blindly stand by the front office no matter what or revisionists like Archie who want spare parts in a trade with Cleveland, yet profess to have been behind the Holt-ing Pattern all along.
I am man enough to admit that I didn't want to clear cap space and forsake opportunities to win now for a chance to sign a star a couple seasons down the road. I wanted to do some of the trades we read about the Spurs being offered. I admit that I didn't think the Spurs could win a le while rebuilding without a lot of luck and a major change in the rotation.
You b1tches can p1ss and moan all day and take your frustrations out on me as much as you want.
I am living in the now. I think we're going to get Kidd after all. If we don't, I hope we can get Brand to accept and offer from us for the max. After that, there's always guys like Odom and Olowokandi and PJ Brown.
The Holt-ing Pattern ain't over yet, folks. Not by a longshot.
Just because a player isn't an all star doesn't mean hes not good or not worth signing. Gilbert Arenas hasn't made an all star team and people seem to want to sign him. Tracy Mcgrady sure as didn't seem like much to you guys and he worked out pretty well for the Magic.
Too many of you are focused on the big name fa's
Ok, please seperate "winning championship" from "rebuilding". These are two different situations, and remotely related to each other at best.
As far as the HOLTING PATTERN is concerned, one of it's desired results was not winning an NBA le. Do you really think that Pop and Co. did it with winning the le in 2002-2003 in mind? No, it's more of a testament to Pop's coaching staff, and the Spurs roster to gel together and form a winning unit. It had NOTHING to do with the rebuilding project that they went through.
Let's talk about NOW. Can you really say with a straight face that the Spurs were hoping to be in this situation this summer, with respect and only respect to the FA situation?
That's like me saying that I was thrilled that the Lakers let go of Elden Campbell and Eddie Jones, to get Glen Rice (who I didn't want) and to pick up Dennis Rodman in 1999. One of the worst moves the Lakers have ever made. I'm still saying that now, even though the Lakers found a way to win 3 les in a row, in spite of this horrendous error. They lost two players, who would more than make up for their current deficiences (athletic swingman, and PF/back up center)
the question was are you happy... not are you crazy.I am living in the now. I think we're going to get Kidd after all. If we don't, I hope we can get Brand to accept and offer from us for the max. After that, there's always guys like Odom and Olowokandi and PJ Brown.
The Holt-ing Pattern ain't over yet, folks. Not by a longshot.
Sure the Spurs would love to be adding a star like JO or Kidd right now but do you honestly think it's a horrible situation otherwise? Get some perspective.
have you even been watching the spurs play? most of the moves they made or didn't make resulted in us having the team that won the championship... they were directly related whether or not it was intended.Ok, please seperate "winning championship" from "rebuilding". These are two different situations, and remotely related to each other at best.
the spurs were never rebuilding... they were reloading at cost. (some because of elliott) but you don't ever "rebuild" when you have an aging all star center and a two time MVP.
yes it looks bad that we have all this money and no one to spend it on... yes it looks bad that the lakers get 2 old all stars while we can't make any moves because of waiting on kidd... yes i thought we should have gone after o'neal first and alot harder... but 25 million would have been harder to compete with than anything being offered kidd right now.
whatever this holting pattern was... at least it gives us options and 2 new faces that might be stars in the years to come (manu and parker)
Who are you talking to?
Settling for anything less than a superstar would've been a collossal disappointment this summer.
Like I forewarned about a year ago, we probably would have to settle for a guy like Olowokandi in the summer of 2003. You weren't prepared for that.
I also said that settling might not be so bad. Replacing the center of a championship-caliber team is at least maintaining. With expected improvement from our young guns, that's a better team. You take the remaining money and shore up any other weaknesses or try to add a budding young player before he blows up.
But please don't act like striking out on Brand, Kidd and O'Neal or even Malone and Payton is what you, the homers or the front office had in mind when the decison was made in 2001 to clear out cap space for this summer.
That's an f'n joke.
Now you are complaining about the Spurs winning a championship and being able to pursue a max free agent afterwards. **** it, you are a child. Grow the **** up for once.
i know you're talking to archie... but i hated the fact that we didn't go after trades harder. in fact i always hated the reasons given for not getting more talent... the no limit army etc... but the fact that people are trying to make the best out of a bad situation isn't a joke.But please don't act like striking out on Brand, Kidd and O'Neal or even Malone and Payton is what you, the homers or the front office had in mind when the decison was made in 2001 to clear out cap space for this summer.
That's an f'n joke.
alot of players re-up'ed during the past two years... players who would have been free agents this year... its just the way it worked out. now you're left with a championship, manu and parker (yeah no GG - because of cap space concerns) but tim duncan and 16 million dollars... its not like the kiss of death or anything... even if it wasn't intended either... like the championship.
Archie, I am not complaining. I am defending my position and calling you out for being a mind-changing, irritable b1tch.
Please re-read my posts if that didn't come through the first time, Mr. Plan Z.
man shut the up you re
enough with the "holting pattern" crap. its not cute its not witty. give it back to whatever 12 year old you stole it from
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